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Old 10-March-2003, 02:00 PM
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The biggest problem with this page from Cosmic Dave is that on it he makes frequent references to his moon hoax theory page. Vast numbers of people have tried to explain to Dave that if the Apollo materials were shot on a soundstage in Burbank or Area 51, then it doesn't make a lot of sense to use that material as "proof" of UFOs. Mr. Cosnette hasn't grasped the notion that the Apollo materials have to be real in order to matter to his UFO argument.

First, it's inexcusable that he should use such poor quality photos when excellent renditions of those photos are freely available. This collection of thoroughly hazy and noisy Apollo photos, complete with wildly inaccurate captions, can be found on a number of UFO sites as "proof" of UFOs seen on Apollo missions.

His "alien spacecraft" are simply blobs of light with rather straightforward optical explanations. Many of them even appear only in the extremely poor quality versions of the photos. I'm sure the UFO crowd will claim they're "enhanced" or whatever to show the "alien". I can "enhance" holiday snaps in like fashion to show how common these artifacts are, but when I do this the UFO crowd just claims I've captured UFOs on holiday snaps.

In case you recall, Mr. Cosnette is not very proudly endowed in the critical thinking department.

We discussed these transcripts on one of the Yahoo groups. Basically, they're fabricated. Although Dave claims they are "corroborated by hundreds of amateur radio operators," he can't name any of them. And for those of us who read the Apollo transcripts, they don't sound very much like the people involved. For example, they've got Neil Armstrong almost paralyzed with fear, and Chris Craft [sic] swearing over the radio.

Some of the purported conversations incorporate sections of actual dialogue. We've verified some in the official transcripts, but they're always heavily edited and rearranged, borrowing a phrase from here or there. They're doctored to make them sound more mysterious, and the "code" phrases are simply words that the "editor" has inserted. Other "code" phrases are simply the normal Apollo jargon which anyone can understand who cares to study a bit. And yes, some of them are perfectly normal conversations that UFO enthusiasts vehemently claim "must" refer to UFOs.

Dave Cosnette rests a lot on the testimony of Maurice Chatelain, who he claims was "former chief of NASA communications". Such a person in a prominent post would have been remembered by someone, but no one at NASA has heard of Chatelain. After a little digging we discovered that Maurice Chatelain had worked as a low level technician for one of the subcontractors (RCA, if memory servces) but had been fired prior to Apollo 11. He never saw MOCR and likely only worked for a few days in one of the back rooms, not during any mission.

In short, this page -- like so many other offerings from "Cosmic" Dave Cosnette -- is an amusing assemblage of innuendo, fabricated "fact", poor reasoning, and fantasy.

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