...this is an interesting thread, but after reading it, it seemed to me that people were comparing apples and oranges. Religion fulfills a need in human beings. From the earliest men right up to today. Religion addresses itself to the spiritual side of man, by means of faith, a knowing of the heart. Human beings take their needs very seriously. Science is based on the scientific approach resulting in data and repeatability and formulas proving analytically the validity of the proof. This is done by means of reason, logic and probability which brings about a knowing in the mind, an entirely different kind of knowing, compared to faith. A knower of the mind and a knower of the heart addressing the same question, will seldom, if ever, agree. The conflict is a result of one side believing the other side is trying to tamper with their need(ie creationism, evolution, IDism). I would like to see w.i.a.h.b.a.a.w.b.ism taught as well( what is, always has been, and always will be)...