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Old 04-April-2006, 10:09 AM
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I'll give you my take on your questions, as someone who works often with the
photon concept:

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1. Photons are real particles right?
As in INDIVIDUAL photons DO exist
Is it a physical particle? I know its supposed to be energy, but in that case - what IS energy?
To the extent that any particle "exists", yes, photons do also. I would not say they "are" energy, I would say that "have" energy. What they "are" is photons, that's it. Energy is just a property that has proven useful to define in the manner that it is defined, and in different situations what we mean by energy is actually a bit different. It is a common misunderstanding that energy is a "thing" of some kind, rather than an attribute.

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2. Photons have momentum, but occupy no volume and have no mass
Could it be possible that they DO have mass...just very very little? undetectable? Othervise how are they individual particles at all? once again what is energy?
They could be anything, of course, but our understanding of them that works very well is that they have no mass, in the sense of rest mass. They do not need to have mass to be a particle, as mass, like energy, is simply an attribute, not a thing in and of itself.

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3. Photon spin?
I know nothing about this, so please explain
Spin is a very weird and profound attribute of a particle that controls a lot of things. It controls the angular momentum of the particle, from the point of view of angular momentum conservation, and it also controls whether or not you can have more than one identical particle in the exact same state. You can just think of it as internal degrees of freedom that says two otherwise identical particles can be in different states even if they are moving in exactly the same way. Photons have spin 1, which means you can put as many identical photons into the same state as you want, and it also connects to the fact that the classical description of how photons move can have two distinct polarization states (like polarized sunglasses only letting in light that is vertically polarized, not horizontally).

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4. Photons do not decay
So basically all photons created during and after the big bang (assuming it happened) still exist today (im not sure about this one, becasue i know photons can get absorbed, but then dont they get re-released again, just at a different wavelength?)
What is meant by "decay" is spontaneous decay, in other words, photons don't just suddently pop into something else for no apparent reason. However, they can be destroyed, not just converted into a different wavelength. Photons from very early in the Big Bang were destroyed, and replaced by lower energy photons, which were clearly different photons, and which have since been redshifted to even lower energy by the expanding universe.

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5. Moving a photon trough something extremely thick/cold?
I asked this one before, but what about an extremely high energy photon..how do those types of photons travel throuh matter?
Since photons carry energy, to stop or destroy a photon you need to have some process that can accomodate that energy. The higher the energy the photon, the fewer the processes that foot the bill, and so the less likely the photon will interact. Even if you are talking about scattering the photon rather than destroying it, there is still a dependence on the energy of the photon. An analogy might be firing bullets through a wall-- low energy bullets might have to hit a window to get through, high energy will just plow through.

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6. Do photons created at the center of the Earth ever see the "light of day" meaning ever reach the surface and beyond?
No, not very likely. There is always some probability of almost anything happening, but when the probability is so low that it's pointless to even contemplate, we say it doesn't happen. Infrared photons emitted by the Earth must all come from very close to the surface, or they would have been re-absorbed and turned, at least temporarily, back into heat.

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7. Distinguishing photons?
It is impossible to distinguish between individual photons right, except their wavelength, but photons of the exact same wavelength are indistinguishable? is this correct?
Yes, photons with the same attributes are indistinguishable, but it's not just wavelength, spin (polarization) is also an attribute.

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8. Photons deviating when travelling great distances?
When a photon gets created, in some galaxy on the other side of the universe, and we observe it...does or did that photon ever change its cource? That is to say, does a photon ALWAYS travel in a straight line? (this is assuming there are no gravitational forces acting on the photon) I ask becasue they travel in waves...read below
A photon is a quantum mechanical particle, and as such, it has no definable trajectory. However, in many applications you can treat it as though it did have a trajectory and get the right answer. If you are doing that, then the photon trajectory can be altered by scattering. However, in astronomy we typically observe the photons that have not been scattered on the way. In cases where the wave property of photons is important, such as for radio waves, the concept of trajectory breaks down and the waves are affected by the medium through which they pass even if there is no obvious "scattering".

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9. Photons travelling in waves
Photons travel in a wave-like fashion. Is this correct? im not referring to the wave function. What i mean is do photons actually have a peak and a trough. Do these photons go "up and down" aswell as travel at the speed of light in a particular direction?
You are referring to the wave function, that is the only sense to which photons travel like waves. Classically, we can measure an electromagnetic field which is also a wave, but this is due to many photons and is not the particle picture.

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10. 3d waves?
If #7 is correct, then do these photons "bounce around" within their wavelength?
What i mean is this - You can picture a hypthetical hollow tube in which these photons "bounce around" at their wavelength in all directions, while travelling. Would this be a more accurate description?
And back to #8, would this "bouncing around" affect the path of the photon (assuming the above is remotely correct)
Not sure what you're getting at here, but it doesn't sound like a picture you'd want to adopt.

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11. The energy of a photon depends on its wavelength
So once again, what exactly is energy, if it is determined simply by the wavelength of a photon?
It's an attribute, with various properties that involve conservation of energy and other things. It is not a thing in and of itself. The sci fi idea that there is such a thing as "pure energy" is bogus, you may as well say "pure telephone number".

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12. Whats the distance between photons?
According to antonisebs calculation, there are 1.2x10^13 photons per cubic meter of daylight at any one time, not per soecond.
Im assuming that number is smaller, but not significantly smalled out in a remote region of space. Would that be a correct asumption?
Also, that calculation is for photons emitted from from the sun, what about all of the other photons released from other stars, galaxies, this planet, they also must be there. As in we should add all of the other potential photons that are technically there, not just from our sun (basically he number should be greater?)..i dont know if that made sence...
Yes, but distant stars don't contribute much to the photon density from the Sun in the daytime.

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13. Photons as a ether?
With that many photons per square cubic meter, do the math for square millimeter for a better picture - THATS A LOT OF PHOTONS!! at any one time in a millimeter cubed of space
Is it safe to say, that everything in the universe is in an "ocean" of photons? As in we are just floating in this stuff. (as well as gravitons among other things, but ill leave those for another thread )
Don't forget neutrinos-- there are a lot of those too.

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14. Photon to photon interaction
With that many photons existing in such a small space, there ought to be some kind of interaction between photons, especially that these photons come from ALL directions..literally
I think it was Ken G that said that photons dont actually collide, but "pair up", and then split up ...this appears as a collision though, but its really not? please explain... if they are not a physical thing, what interacts with what? why would they NOT come in contact with eachother?
So they DONT actually collide, right? and they cannot occupy the same space..is that also correct or no?
I don't recall saying that, but low energy photons such as we experience every day do not interact with each other, and they can occupy the same space (a property of their integer spin). Very high energy photons will scatter off each other because they can make particles and antiparticles which may then annihilate. I don't know if very high intensities of low-energy photons can find ways to interact or not, but it's very unlikely.

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15. Photon to matter interaction
When we say a photon hits a physicl object like a keyboard...or a mirror, does it come in contact with whatever it hits? I dont understand this becasue a photon is not a physical thing, so how does it "bounce off" of things? When we type and hit the buttons on our keyboard, the molecules from our fingers dont actually come in physical contact with the molecules making up the keyboard right? but thats matter and electrons are responsible for that.....what about photons though?
Yes, photons don't "contact" things. Their wave function is affected by the thing, such that you can get a reflection, like from a mirror. This has to do with the rules of waves, and how they interfere constructively or destructively, just like sound waves bouncing off a wall.

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16. E=mc^2
So if E=mc^2, and photons ARE energy, does that mean, that if we cram enough photons into a small space, that they will become matter? But i though photons have no mass or volume? How could this be?
There is no principle of conservation of volume, and energy can be converted into mass, so yes, photons can be converted into matter. The key is not to have a lot of them, it's to have high enough energy in each photon, to be able to convert it into a particle of matter (generally electron/positron pairs). In that case, one photon goes into one electron, they don't aggregate (it's very unlikely).

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17. for the third time..what is energy? i certainly dont know, which is why i made this post in the first place...
That is a pretty good question even for trained physicists. All I can say is, energy is as energy does, don't try to think of it as a thing in and of itself. It is a property that obeys various rules, it is a useful construct. It may not be anything "real", in the sense that aliens who do physics might not use that concept at all. It's pretty darn useful though, so it's hard to imagine physics without it.
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