Thanks Jay. While you probably realize my remark was flippant, I am glad it gave you another opportunity to elucidate the salient points.

On willfullness, while I understand completely what you are saying, I also believe that most, if not all, of the conspiricists are willfully ignorant of "facts" when confronted with them. Not to pick on him, but turbonium is a prime example. His complete disregard of factual evidence is apparent, however his is the easier argument to provide counter point to.

Brumsen's method, IMO, is much more insidious, and therefore much harder to counterpoint. That you are able to do so with such alcruity is a testiment to understanding of the method he employs. Unfortunantly, most people do not have your insight and experience, and are therefore more easily swayed (at least initially). I, for one, truly appreciate your efforts to throw the cold light of reason on these arguments. Furthermore, I appeal to you to continue, as I believe such insightfulness is the only truely effective weapon against such madness.

Kudos!

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