To Spitfire(I love your avitar by the way) You have devoted ALOT of time and effort in debunking Turboniums claims. Way more time that he deserves I think. Unless of course you enjoy that kind of back and forth debating! I persona;y could not find the time to devote to this kind of thing. Your very detailed and logical arguments are one of the main things that convinced me.

Oh and I dont think your going to convince him even if you dould take him back in time and show him the shooting.