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Originally Posted by papageno
No, ATM proponents are as responsible as their critics.
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Not according to the rules.
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Originally Posted by papageno
I was pointing out that mainstream ideas have already been critically examined, just as it happens in the ATM forum.
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And I have pointed out examples, couple of them in the same post you were responding to, where it is irrelevant whether mainstream ideas have been critically examined or not.
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Originally Posted by papageno
If it just some special occasions, why not let the moderators deal with it, instead of advocating a change of the rules?
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Presence of a rule makes it easier for moderators to deal with the situation. Presence of a rule also makes incidents where the rule in question is violated less frequent, because people tend to avoid to violate the rules. That means less work for moderators, and more enjoyable discussions.
Why have rules at all if we can just "let the moderators deal with it"?
We have plenty of rules for some special occasions (such as copyright violations), so I don't see that as a
reason not to make a rule.
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Originally Posted by papageno
If I started a thread about an ATM idea I have, I would have to follow the rules that apply to ATM proponents.
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In that case you would be ATM proponent, and rule 13 would apply to you. Those who would argue against your idea would be mainstream proponents, and they would have no rule holding them responsible of their sayings.
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Originally Posted by papageno
Personal experience in the ATM forum and other boards.
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How do you determine that an ATM proponent is equating "fair" with "agreeing with me"?
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Originally Posted by papageno
"How many" does not matter, since you are advocating a change of the rules based on a few special occasions.
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It matters because you used it in an argument belittling my comment. Furthermore, I'm ATM proponent on some issues, so your argument seems to be targeted to me also. Therefore I think I'm entitled to know the specifics of your argument in order to find out the correctness of your argument. So how many ATM proponents are equating "fair" with "agreeing with me"?
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Originally Posted by papageno
It is relevant because what some ATM proponents perceive as fair, might not be actually fair.
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Well, I think most relevant here is what I meant by "fair" when I said it, because other ATM proponents didn't decide my meaning for it. But I admit that it wasn't best possible choice of words when I said "we", I shouldn't have tried to speak for anyone else.