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Originally Posted by RussT
From the paper;
[Although the ordinary second law will fail when matter is dropped into a black hole, such a process will tend to increase the area of the black hole, so there is a possibility that the GSL will hold.]
This is one of of the main problems I see with this. They just assume the Area Increase Theorum is 'proved'. Which they do with several other factors as well (Hawking Radiation) and then they 'infer' this and that. But mostly, this (as with numerous analysis of other phenomena) is only analyizing the whole scenario from ONE viewpoint, and never even consider that the Second Laws "MIGHT" not apply to this situation!
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Ah, this is better, actually. Bringing up specific points in the paper that you think might be problematical, and stating why you think so, is indeed a good way to discuss a paper, rather than simply dismissing the conclusion as wrong because the paper is "trying too hard".
So, they are assuming that the area of a black hole will increase as matter is added. Of course, if you look at the equations of general relativity, you'll see that the surface area of a black hole does indeed increase as mass falls in. So for your idea to work, you'll have to make a different assumption, that the mass that falls into a black hole does not actually increase the area, as general relativity would predict. Now, black holes are ceratainly extreme situations, and so maybe general relativity isn't sufficient for describing them. But if you're going that route, you're probably going to need to descirbe the changes you're making to general relativity. As it is, it sounds like you're assuming that the matter doesn't become part of the black hole, but instead ends up in "the universe below ours", ultimately resulting in the expansion of that universe. Have I got that right?
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Originally Posted by RussT
I have described, as mcuh as I have been able to surmise, in my paper, what happens to Baryonic Matter when it enters a MBH and then why what the MBH's in the Universe level "Above Ours" is realeasing from the Einstein-Rosen Bridges, which end with the White Holes releasing into OUR VOIDS, 'space', which is the Planck Mass "Inert" Dark Matter (all of our space). And since this is actually "INERT" collisionless Planck Dark Matter, the Gravity Backgroud Field (BGF), there really is NO Energy Conservation Law being broken here, because it is NOT really energy. The BGF is all INERT, its energy is all "locked In" (which is why gravity is not a force!), but it has the tiny Planck MASS, which makes up our gravity, ALL OF IT!!! Our Universe is 100% Gravity, with the baryonic matter just 'borrowing' the planck mass DM!
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If it has mass, then it has energy. Besides, this eventually becomes the normal matter of a galaxy. If you start with some enclosed region of space with no matter, and end up with a galaxy at some later time, you've violated conservation of energy on a large scale.
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Originally Posted by Grey
You cannot necessarily take the current state of an object and figure out what the previous state must have been.
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Originally Posted by RussT
You mean, like the whole universe from 10^-43 forward?
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Yes. If you just looked at the universe at just this instant, it would not really be possible to determine it's past. Certainly that's why the assumption of the earliest astronomers was just that the universe had always been the same, and it's only been relatively recently that we've begun to think that the universe has changed significantly over time.
Fortunately, however, since light has a finite travel time, we don't just see the current state of the universe. Looking at the most distant objects is also giving us a view of what the universe was like in the past, and that gives us a way to construct the history of the universe. Moreover, in doing that, we can gain information that also allows us turn the clock back still further. For example, unless you dispute that observed redshifts are recessional, then without violating conservation of energy, a necessary consequence of the observations is that the universe used to be hotter and denser than it is now. That's a conclusion that is supported well by further observations, too, actually, which suggests that we're on the right track. It is true that we cannot directly observe anything earlier than the CMB, but if we make predictions based on the assumption that, earlier than that it was hotter and denser still (using information from quantum theory and particle collision experiments to tell us what things are like when very hot and dense), we find that many of those predictions are supported by observation as well. Of course, it's tricky to do, and I don't think anyone would claim tha twe know exactly what the early universe was like; just that we have a decent broad description.
But you haven't really answered the question. Why should it be so surprising or problematic that, given a collapsed object, that we cannot determine exactly what it was like before it collapsed? We certainly can't do that precisely with even nearby astronomical objects. Can you do a "time reversal" of the formation of the Earth or the solar system and show what the "progenitor" of these was? No, of course not. Does that mean that we cannot create reasonable models of what that formation might have been like, that are consistent with our observations today? Again, of course not.
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Originally Posted by RussT
[(Naked Singularity>Gamma Radiation>Hydrogen/Helium)]
Isn't this the Big Bang Scenario? Well, yes, I should have included Electrons/Protons between Radiation and Hydrogen.
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Ah, I see what you mean. I thought you were alking about the context of your own theory. Sorry, that was my misreading.
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Originally Posted by RussT
Yes, it is! So one would think that it would be very important NOT to make assumptions here. I am not even sure that energy conservation is being violated here. After all, the Nuker Team did find that the stars in the outer parts of spiral galaxies have speeds that match the Mass of their respective MBH's, when it has always been thought that should definitely NOT be the case!
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If you agree that conservation of angular momentum is an important issue, why won't you address the problem? I've brought it up several times now, but you keep sidestepping the question. You're doing it now, in fact. Yes, the Nuker team found a strong correlation between rotational speed and central black hole mass that was surprising (I don't think anyone thought that this "should definitely NOT be the case", just that there wasn't any reason to expect it; certainly they already have some ideas on the matter that don't require your model). But that has nothing to do with the fact that a galactic mass of hydrogen and helium expanding from a central point cannot have enough angular momentum to account for what we observe in a typical spiral galaxy without moving so fast that it is no longer gravitationally bound, and so won't form a galaxy at all.
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Originally Posted by RussT
And yes, this "MAY" wind up being the case, but the stars say different.
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I don't understand what you're saying here. You've agreed that the mass isn't present beforehand, and we end up with a galaxy worth of matter afterward. That's a violation of conservation of energy. Now, if you postulate another universe that the energy is coming from, I suppose that technically avoids the energy conservation violation, but I don't see how the "stars say" that.