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Originally Posted by Neverfly
...but simply put the ONLY complaint you made in anything i said was that TS was too low a SC.
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Correct. TS is the highest classification for military use.
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Originally Posted by Neverfly
...I was going off personal experience which In ITself was Limited
SO- it seemed TOO EASY that if i could get that Clearance- that ANYONE with it might Jostle into discovering Supposed UFO nature.
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That's why I said you don't know, rather than you were lying. You have only limited experience; I can assure you that my experience is
much broader. I cannot speak for the US services, but in Australia getting an upgrade is quite a tedious process. Standard entry checks give a sailor a RESTRICTED clearance, and an Officer a CONFIDENTIAL clearance. You then have to be upgraded if required. That involves supplying extensive background details, and checks through the Australian Federal Police and ASIO. An upgrade takes 6 months or so. Longer for upgrade to TS. Then there are two levels of TS: TS-NV (negative vet) and TS-PV (positive vet). The PV involves interviewing people who have known you, physically checking previous addresses, going through bank records, etc. That takes about 18 months to get - far from easy. You need a TS-PV clearance for access to certain information.
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Originally Posted by Neverfly
Ok if TS IS the highest then i invite you to Use that principle in cracking CT claims that UFO nonsense is labled Top Secret.
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I do
not have the need to know, so I won't have access to any such information if it exists. As I pointed out earlier, I am unaware of any claims by UFO researchers that involve documents purported to be US government in origin that have a higher classification than TS. If there is anything I have missed, I'd be grateful if you'd point it out to me.
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Originally Posted by Neverfly
but heres MY PERSONAL ISSUE
your personal attack was extreme and not thought out. had you in a CIVIL manner apporached that, it would have been MUCH better handled.
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I made no attack; I said you did not know - which you have admitted. I made no attacks on your character or behaviour. In fact, you are the one who has done that upon me (questioning my military service). My statements have been thought out, and are correct. If they are not - and you can prove they are not - I invite you to correct me.
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i was wrong because i ALSO lost my temper and got defensive too quickly- at a biassed attack approach you gave.
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No bias, no attack - I pointed out you were wrong.
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Frankly you acted like an (insert alternate name for donkey).
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And you accuse me of making ad homs?
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...this is an issue into which i have put very little thought and no real research into up until this moment.
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Then you should do so in future before making such definitive statements.
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So its perfectly possible i was wrong- now i feel Stupider for having Vaguely mentioned it to begin with which could have been POLITELY refuted by you- i got angry and disgusted first (also assumed you were a UFO Believer Desperately clinging to the notion that Top Secret labling PROVES the existance of UFO's) - instead of my higher intellect being appealed and that COULD have been avoided had you acted a little (little? a LOT) more courtiously in asking me WHY I said TOO LOW and what made me think that etc.
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You made the statement and I pointed out forcefully that you were wrong, based on my experience in the area under discussion. Don't make broad, unqualified statements unless you are sure of their validity.
You don't know my opinion on UFOs. I've made my opinion clear in the OP regarding Roswell.
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Ill have no part of this pointless thread- i think we have covered what the issue was- and what mistakes were made- and ill invite you vet of 20 years to Grow Up.
If you think im Harsh- think too about how you approached this to begin with and ill welcome your apology and we can talk Military in a Freindly manner (Which sorry to say us Military types Cant Seewm To Help but do ANYway... :P) it COULD have been settled in three maybe four posts in a civil way in the other forum and no hard feelings would have arisen.
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I'm not the one who has bandied insults; I have not questioned your military service. I have sailors and Officers who don't really have a
full understanding about the security classifications, getting upgrades, getting an administrative downgrade, the need-to-know principle, codeword material, etc. That is why I said (based on your statement) that you don't know.
Don't be so sensitive if someone points out that you have made an unintentional error.