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Originally Posted by Obviousman
Correct. TS is the highest classification for military use.
That's why I said you don't know, rather than you were lying. You have only limited experience; I can assure you that my experience is much broader.
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That is NOT what you said- you were Insultery, derogartory you barely refrained from Vulgar language.
[QUOTE=Obviousman;891793]I cannot speak for the US services, but in Australia getting an upgrade is quite a tedious process. Standard entry checks give a sailor a RESTRICTED clearance, and an Officer a CONFIDENTIAL clearance. You then have to be upgraded if required. That involves supplying extensive background details, and checks through the Australian Federal Police and ASIO. An upgrade takes 6 months or so. Longer for upgrade to TS. Then there are two levels of TS: TS-NV (negative vet) and TS-PV (positive vet). The PV involves interviewing people who have known you, physically checking previous addresses, going through bank records, etc. That takes about 18 months to get - far from easy. You need a TS-PV clearance for access to certain information.[/QUOTW]
No you cannot speak for the US but you seemed to be trying to. Yes the process iS SImilar to that
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Originally Posted by Obviousman
I do not have the need to know, so I won't have access to any such information if it exists. As I pointed out earlier, I am unaware of any claims by UFO researchers that involve documents purported to be US government in origin that have a higher classification than TS. If there is anything I have missed, I'd be grateful if you'd point it out to me.
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i repeat (AGAIN) that i was not asking you for any UFO information classified as higher than TS. i dont know where you got that idea.
I mean that if You Know how TS works- then jus tthe Idea that UFOlogists making TS info claims you might be able to readily dispute thats all....
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I made no attack; I said you did not know - which you have admitted.
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i can paste what you said and it was Nothing like that- nowhere NEAR that civil- had you said it that way it would have been MUCH less heated- you even incited a responce from MA- outside he said "Same to you "
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I made no attacks on your character or behaviour. In fact, you are the one who has done that upon me (questioning my military service). My statements have been thought out, and are correct. If they are not - and you can prove they are not - I invite you to correct me.
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read again your first post in response to mine and tell me that you didnt Stop Just Short of calling me a liar.
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No bias, no attack - I pointed out you were wrong.
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hmmm
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You made the statement and I pointed out forcefully that you were wrong, based on my experience in the area under discussion. Don't make broad, unqualified statements unless you are sure of their validity.
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NOW you say FORCEFULLY- Force was NOT needed in any way- you admit you overreacted and did NOT THINK OUT a proper Response
True i made a Broad statement and likely made myself look quite foolish in so doing. Learn from mistakes i guess....
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I'm not the one who has bandied insults; I have not questioned your military service. I have sailors and Officers who don't really have a full understanding about the security classifications, getting upgrades, getting an administrative downgrade, the need-to-know principle, codeword material, etc. That is why I said (based on your statement) that you don't know.
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Again you make it sound so polite- but you know better. you know you didnt act that way. you SOUNDED like you questioned my military service. i only questioned yours because of your Vague comments- i wanted to be clear if you were in a position to say you can speak from personal experience.
im not one to beat around the Bush- you were a Jerk. if i called you a great guy when you acted like a great guy... then you would happily accept that... Well this time around you were a Jerk- im sorry but i dont paint pretty pictures i tell it like it is
i was a jerk too..
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Don't be so sensitive if someone points out that you have made an unintentional error.
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Yes i Really SHould have Stepped back and cooled off before replying- i was FURIOUS! Sensitive? im not really a sensitive person. Some things like my Military service i take very Seriously- as any soldier does with PRIDE. i myself over reacted too.
but im not so sensitive to react unless i feel attacked- and i think you are well aware of what you said that brought this heat on
we both know it was on both sides.
NOW you tell it like you were so calm and polite- and again- you know better. cmon...
THIS posting im quoting now is MUCH more polite than any so far. im left to GUESS that what i said to you may have sunk in a bit and you thought about it....
Given as such-ill simply accept that as you SEEM to be aware that your original HOGWASH comment was too extreme and you are now making an effort to be polite.
And in your favor -outside influences in my life were also not helping me to think rationally or clearly either.
SO........ lets leave this one behind- im sure that on another thread and topic we probably would have gotten along just fine(as i said in the last one- military folks cant help but sit and tell war stories)
But i learned something here- i hope you did too- HOW you approach a person can make a VERY Big difference as to how the converstaion will proceed from there. You might have simply asked me Hey neverfly- Why would You say TS isnt the highest? when i gave my response- you could have detailed in ONE post what took you three what with the arguin. and then i would have said Hmmm you may be right then. and the other things i said in later posts.. but it took Too long it was heated
and there was a Much better way to aprroach that.
im saying that in a friendly way- not insultery- Just think about it- i have to learn that very same lesson too...
if i made typoes-forgive- this is LONG and i dont feel like re-reading it.
peace?