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Originally Posted by my_wan
As you move a meterstick away from the sun its length is Lorentz Transformed from the suns proper time to smaller units. The observer at the meterstick sees no change in the meterstick units because it represents that observers proper units. That observer will note that the sun will appear to gain mass though because of his smaller proper units.
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Originally Posted by tusenfem
Nope, I think at most the observer may think that the density of the sun has changed it his measuring rod is changed moving from frame to fram.
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Is that not what I said? I'm looking for where you might take exception.
peice by peice;
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Originally Posted by my_wan
As you move a meterstick away from the sun its length is Lorentz Transformed from the suns proper time to smaller units.
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It is the meterstick or in you words the "the observer" and "his measuring rod" that I said changed proper units.
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Originally Posted by my_wan
The observer at the meterstick sees no change in the meterstick units because it represents that observers proper units..
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Surely you can't seriously be saying that a measuring stick in your hand changes length by your own measure as you change depth in a gravitation feild?
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Originally Posted by my_wan
That observer will note that the sun will appear to gain mass though because of his smaller proper units.
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Keyword; "appear to". I don't claim the sun changed mass but in the new units that are proper to the observer stated here it "appears" to him as if it does.
This is not even anything new to physics and can be checked against the standard model. I'm therefore still lost on what you disagreed with.
It almost appears as though you are arguing on the difference between what is real and what is mathematical artifacts, yet my use of "appear to" makes even this difficult for you. I'm arguing solely on what the respective observers measure. I hope you can make your point a little more clear.