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Old 07-March-2007, 01:07 PM
Nereid Nereid is offline
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Default Clarification please!

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I think you can start with the GR equations, and explicitly plug in 'only photons' ... it gets a little hairy to also include the Standard Model (of particle physics) in such a way that no matter (or anti-matter) gets created, but as long as the universe remains radiation dominated, I guess you could remove the matter and watch what happens ...
Indeed, there is an extended early phase of the Big Bang that is radiation dominated (and note that all relativistic particles behave the same way as light), so this is not a hypothetical question. The GR equations are actually the easiest in this situation, and you get a decelerating expansion but nothing that is "gravitationally bound" in the way mugaliens seems to be imagining. Indeed, were it not so, we would not be here now.
mugaliens, would you mind clarifying your OP please?

That photons, as pure energy, "actually [have] a gravitational component" is already built in to GR, and (as Ken G points out), the early universe (in the concordance model) did comprise 'pure energy'.

What do you mean by "gravitation component would have been strong enough to hold in everything, including light (energy)"? The universe is everything, and the "gravitation component" of its (mass-)energy content is what determines its history.
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