Here's a few things that I noticed.

Kaysing's claim about the descent engine made me laugh. First of all, the temperature of the exhaust products was not 5000F. I believe that the maximum temperature was around 2500F, which drops off after it expands through the engine bell and then into the vacuum.

I think Phil just used the 2500 lbf force on the surface as not to confuse the average viewer. One only needs to go the clavis.org site to see how complex the analysis is. I've sent Phil a few e-mails over the past year or so and I know he knows that all of the 2500 pounds of thrust does not impact the surface.

I also found the NASA ovens to make the moon rocks a real joke. About a year ago, he was on Fox News and said that the moon rocks were meteorites that were collected by Werhner Von Braun when he visited Antartica in Jan 1969. I kid you not.

Even if NASA had the capability to "make rocks" in an oven, here are two things to consider.

1. All of the exposed rocks that were collected have a surface feature called "zap pits." These are micro-craters that are only visible under microscope. I have two geologist friends who have handled moon rocks (using three sets of gloves) and their comment to me was that they know of no way that zap pits can be made on Earth.

2. The claim that the moon rocks were made on Earth and no one could tell if they were from the moon or not is false. During the solidication process, the melt experiences severe natural convection heat transfer (hot parts of the liquid rise and cold parts sink due to buoyancy forces which are dependant on the local gravity field). The shape of the crystalline structure is directly related to this heat transfer process. On the moon natural convection would be much less, since the gravity is less, so the crystalline structure would be much different. Some one with experience could easily tell a fake moon rock by looking at a cross section of the rock.

Just so you know, I did my Ph.D. dissertation on melting and soldification processes.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but it seemed to me that PAX let Kaysing and Siebrel hang themselves with thier whacky claims.