See, that's something else I've noticed that really irritates me. Any discussion can be turned into "this is why the mainstream fails and, therefore, my idea is right." Despite that, there is a marked failure to accept that that kind of argument happens in the ATM section. At least, ATM proponents fail to acknowledge it. The rest of us are only too familiar with the phenomenon.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"