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"I don't regret what I've done in other words and I don't blame anybody. I, I take responsibility for what I've done."
Nancy Lieder
From the Lou Gentile show 6th June, 2003
Lou:
Ladies and gentlemen, Nancy Lieder, hello dear.
Nancy:
Hi, I'm glad to be back and err.. we do have some explaining to do, but there's a very good reason that Lou and I were trashed, why I lost two of my six mirror sites, lost my web master, my assistant web master, lost a staunch member of my "sighting" team and had to answer about 3000 e-mails about what about the dates? There's a very good reason.... and the simple reason is, as was explained in e-mail and on the radio shows all this week, err.... and a group last week also, ahm.... It was a deliberate "white lie" to show you what the US government and other governments, such as the US government, who planned to impose martial law and actually rid themselves of a lot of number of unwanted citizens, would do. Going into the week of the 15th, as we all know because I was on YOUR show Lou the 16th......
Lou:
Hmm, hmmm....
Nancy:
...they called opera, the US called operation "TOPOFF," a hundred agencies, ahm... mobilised including Canada, err... "WINTER SUN" in New York City, all these terrorist exercises for some week, ahh... for some reason, ahh... that week, so after the 16th when we announced specific dates for the 20th and 21st for rotation stoppage, BOOM... went to level ORANGE in the Homeland security alert system, the next level up allow them to tell you to stay in homes and not leave. Certainly stay in your cities and not leave and this would allow them to trap you on the coast, to trap you in the inland cities that are along, are along the, ahh large rivers. If they wish to they could selectively allow certain citizens to escape, they had good teeth and strong backs and, err.. err... all unwanted mouths to feed would just die. If you don't think this is what they're up to then why didn't they tell YOU, why they were going to this effort, just when the long announced Zetatalk date was arriving? This was a demonstration to show you in a way that could not be said by mere words what they were up to and a cover-up does exist. Back to you Lou.
Lou:
Hmmmm.... So your trying to say that the, the Zetas were orchestrating this because they wanted to throw everybody off?
Nancy:
They wanted to throw the US government into a demonstration of what they would do if they had a firm date and not do. You'll notice that altering their citizens was not on the list of what they planned to do. They are not going to tell you what they know, instead they're going to go to level "ORANGE," just below level "RED" where they can impose martial law until you do not travel, do not go to safety you stay in your home and you drown or whatever, but you have to stay there, they can do that to you of pain of being shot down by the military or whatever and they did not tell you why they went to level "ORANGE," it was "oh well, err... there was some bombings overseas." Well so what? We have bombings over seas all the time, Bali bombings, etc., nothing new. They did this because of our announced dates.
Lou:
Well, what, what have the Zetas told you now?
Nancy:
They have said when they put out, ahh.. after we missed the dates of 20th and 21st a couple of days later they had me type up this thing called "White Lie" which I've got on my website and gave to e-mails, to... I don't know how many thousands of people so far, anyone who asked and essentially they said it was a deliberate lie and May 15th shortly thereafter May 15th for instance was also a deliberate lie because they intended to go through this, everything else about Zetatalk can be considered accurate, although I'm not saying you should rely on that now, because I can't say any more "a hundred percent accuracy," I have to say "ninety-nine point five percent accuracy," in all honesty, but because we crowed about this, Zetatalk accuracy track record I was SO proud of it and they were SO proud of it and they emphasised it all the time the US government and Indonesia and other governments said "Hey they're not going to float false dates, ahh.. they just don't do that, they are too proud of their accuracy track record," and they trashed you Lou and they trashed me, and, ahh... ahh.. just to show you because what err.. what is at stake here? How many people live in coastal cities and inland cities along rivers. ahh... at least tens of millions in the US. That's how many innocent people would be denied an opportunity to go to safety or take charge of their own life. Who, who are these people to say they're going to decide who lives and dies? That's not right.
Lou:
Well doesn't this make you kind-of make you question the Zetas though?
Nancy:
Well.....
Lou:
Hon, hon, honestly?
Nancy:
I can see the logic behind it when I saw what the US government did, err... I thought, I thought what a beautiful executed actually, I mean I was a little bruised, I had some rough days I can tell you that, but they said they did that at this time because they knew the Earth changes would be coming up so rapidly that, that, uhmm... Zetatalk would not lose, people would not forget what was said nor would they, uhmmm... question Zetatalk really. I mean we have always said to people look at the Earth changes and this THING, this anomaly next to the sun has got people calling into TV stations, radio stations, saying "what is that THING next to the sun that I can see? It's a second sun." We have had really dramatic evidence that there's a cover-up and I'll give you a specific, uhmm... a little woman called by the name of "Misty" in LA, ahhh... went up and sat up all night and registered what the "web cam" on Mount Wilson, that's a UCLA Observatory, uhmm... took pointing towards the sunset, the whole, every, every shot, which happens every seven minutes. "Here it comes," she says "that's the sun." A few minutes later "here comes the sun," to the left. It's absolutely dramatic. The moon hangs below this rising first sun, which is of course smaller than the real sun and its a small presence you can see, because it isn't a new moon at that time. So we put on.., she gets this on May 26th, I get it on the web May 28th. Late 28th Mount Wilson shuts their "web cam" down and, and points it in a different direct.., or points it in a different direction I should say and hangs a basket ball that say's "Planet X" on it, in front of the "Web cam." It was kind-of funny, I thought it was funny. But then they, they will refuse to point to the sunset now, I mean to the sunrise, err.. they shut it down and said the US government had asked them to shut it down for terrorism reasons, well its pointing at the mountain tops and the fog banks, I don't know how a terrorist is going to be aided by that. For a while they pointed it at the city, but now they're back to pointing it at the sunset..., pardon me the sunrise, but a guy in Norway, uhmm... took, ahhh... a couple of nights, June 4th and June 5th sat.., uhmm... and sat up..., actually it was daytime for him there, so he took a couple of sets and what he discovered is that they were inserting white blanks a certain times, then they inserted a sunrise from another date, you can tell this because the reflections are different....
Lou:
Ok...
Nancy:
....and, uhmmm... back to the sun, err... sunrise, but they ended up pointing the camera in such a way, I got a peek on my website that shows this, that they cut out the area of the sky where Planet X was rising. You see the sun, you do not see Planet X rising as the second sun. They are refusing to where "Missy" captured this and , uhmm.... they're even saying that what she captured was the Moon, a reflection of the Moon. Nobody's buying that, the Moon's a small crescent and this thing is a big glowing orb, ahhh... several times the size of the moon and as it appears in the sky there.
Lou:
Yer' got to admit Nancy, you, you got-a be baffled in a, in a way?
Nancy:
Well I'm not baffled because I think there's a cover-up. I heard, ahhh.... yesterday from someone in Australia who said that Australia is moaning, the Earth is trembling and moaning and for two weeks he's felt this and he finally called, somebody directed him to the geological, uhmm... division there, I'm not sure, geological survey, geological, and they said to him we know about this, yes, but there's uhmm.. a suppression of the news, ahh... but don't worry there's not a problem and he said if there's not a problem then why is that suppressed?
[Long Silence]
Nancy:
.....Now before we go too much further Lou, I'd like to you that somebody knocked out my, uhmmm... the, knocked my web site out of the DNS, the Domain Name Servers, see if you type in Zetatalk.com you can't get it, this has happened this afternoon, uhmmm... and for some reason that happened, it wasn't ME, somebody with a lot of skill and a lot of access to domain name servers, I won't mention who that might be, BUT, uhmmm... I do have a lot of alternative ways for people to get to my primary web site, its a series of numbers, if you don't mind I'd like to give it to your readers, er... listenership?
Lou:
Sure.
Nancy:
Instead of Zetatalk.com or
www.Zetatalk.com type in 216.220.173.201 and I'll repeat that. 216.220.173.201 and that's to replace the
www.Zetatalk.com , ahh...
I did that because there's nothin' there, there's no truth to the Zetatalk message and they got nothin' to worry about, right?
Lou:
Right.... Well Nancy ex, explain to me when this happened, wh, what this happened today?
Nancy:
This afternoon. I actually uploaded a bunch of stuff this morning and other people said they accessed it, uhmm... early afternoon, until it was about mid to late afternoon, just ahead of your show Lou. Happened to me before that type thing, where they crash my website in some manner, uhmmm... Now I, I didn't do this, I own this and, and InterNick is not supposed to change, er... my web site in any way on the Domain Name Server, er... and in the first place it takes a while for that to role out, so whoever did this had a lot of, uhmm... control over, over systems networks around the world.
Lou:
And it's still like that?
Nancy:
Its, it was last time I checked a couple of minutes ago, yea.
Lou:
Because right now I'm on Network Solutions and did a "whois" and your record popped right up.
Nancy:
Yea, but try typing in
http://www. Zetatalk.com....
Lou:
It comes up....
[Long silence]
Nancy:
Well that's good news.
Lou:
Ha, ha , ha, it's there.
Nancy:
That's good news. It sure wasn't there all afternoon.
Lou:
Well....
Nancy:
I'm very happy about that.
Lou:
Could of been that you were getting a lot of hits and it went down, sometimes that happens.
Nancy:
Yea, but not the DNS, the DNS is just a link it would "time out" if I got a lot of hits and it was not my ISP, wonderful Pennsylvania Online there in Harrisburg Lou, because if you type in these numbers that's the absolute address that's instead of the logical address, uhmm... and it went right through. So this was in the Domain Name Servers, I think somebody was told to put it back, because something like this is a little too obvious. Well anyway to get back to the evidence, uhmm... other than the photographs and I think that, uhmm, the "Misty LA" using the "web cam" is one of the most dramatic examples, uhmmm... we have had, err... global earthquakes happening since May 26th, uhmmm... and I have those, er.. live seismographs captured and, er.. of record on my website. If you click on the global quakes, under the Zeta face banner and, er... its all there, you click on the face you can see on May 26th it was dramatic, uhmm... both when the Atlantic Rift was homing into view, where the inbound, er... Planet X could grab it if it was, the crust coming around the curve, so to speak, in the dawn, and it was leaving at dusk, uhmm... and, and escaping we had these global quakes and there's been patterns of, er... showing that this planet is rising up to the ecliptic, moving in between the Earth and the Sun, ahhh... and getting closer. Never the less this is a little bit, uhmmm... how should I say, intellectual for the average person, ya know to get a grip on, but this is the pattern that shows that its also approaching. Now what the Zetas have suggested, is, watch the Earth changes, watch the government reacts and use this as a guide for the dates, because if they float an exact date and it is not very far in the future, its right around the corner, then you will find yourself trapped in your homes, herded into, er.. camps and misused and abused and murdered and, uhmmm... enslaved, all these possibilities. So they want the government, who want to do this to you, or some people in the government who want to do this to you, is establishment is just as surprised as that little Espanic family with many children in the middle of the city, er... as that elderly retired in, er.. Florida, ahhh.. as that, ahhh... you know that farming that maybe close to the Missouri river and there's likely to be flooded. These people deserve to know just as much as the White House and by gum we're goin' to fix it that ways so you get just as much advance notice as the other guys.
Lou:
Well, how, how, how, what I'm trying to figure out is how are you going to know when the Zetas are going to give you the right information. I mean, they, they, they basically, know got now a, a lot of people who have probably made life altering plans and what not, I'm sure there's percentage of them, even though I wouldn't suggest anybody do that, but I'm sure there's many people out there that are probably extremely ****ed off, wouldn't you say?
Nancy:
Oh ya, and I hear from all of them, he, he....
Lou:
I'm sure, ha, ha.
Nancy:
.....but, but here's the thing to look for, its what you should have been looking for in the first place, we have always said "examine the prior Earth changes and the current Earth changes, look at what's going on and, and the trends, the weather and the quakes and whatever and, err... look at the sky where we've been pointing and take a peek and see for yourself and examine the infra-red images, whatever and lately since late March go look yourself and people are increasingly saying "Oh my gosh! I bin lookin' for it and had trouble, but I was just out jogging the other night and I was holst up over the hill and I, there it was in the sunset and I just about fell over" and I hear this a lot from people that it becomes more and more wasy to find it because its gotten quite large, uhmmm... and, errr... its, they should be anyways watching their government, how it reacts and watching for Earth changes as a guide. They, this is something you, we have never said "THE ZETAS HAVE SPOKEN AND YOU SHOULD AND THOU SHALL." This is not a cult, this is not, er, er... we've made a statement and yer supposed to march off. We have never advised the people to do that. We have always advised that they think for themselves.
Lou:
Yeh, but what about, what about, you know claiming that Zetas, you know, were accurate and everything else like that, this doesn't, this really doesn't look good, you know?
Nancy:
I have to tell you it shot that right in the solar plexus, it really did. I can no longer say a hundred percent accuracy, I can't. I have to say, my personal experience is ninety-nine percent, or better, but your right the element of doubt is solidly planted there now and anything I would say, anything they would say, someone would say "Yeh, sure," so they say, "because we knew the Earth changes would be so dramatic and this object would be so visible in the sky and the cover-up so obvious that, uhmm... you, its like, er, err... a momentary loss of credibility". They're saying that when this all sets unfold as they predicted they say "OH THEY WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG," just doing the dates thing, but "HERE IT IS" and they won't forget that what was said.
Lou:
I don't know. Wha, wha, what could you possibly say to the people that packed everything up Nancy and moved to another location, maybe didn't have money, and what not to do it, but they did it in some way because they possibly dis what the Zetas were saying? I mean what could you possibly say to a person like that because....?
Nancy:
I have constantly, constantly said this is your decision you make your decisions people say tell me what to do, I said we give you the information you are to evaluate it. The weatherman does this, you know geologists do this, they say, we're beginning to have tremors, we might have a big quake soon, whatever uhmm... every body does this, er, er... you know they have to evaluate the information they're given and make a decision on their own for their own life. We've always said this and so therefore they should be anyway evaluating, uhmmm.... and they made their own decision based on information. Certainly they should not have said "I BELIEVE IN THE ZETAS AND THEY COME FROM ABOVE," we're not asking for, we never did. The Zetas have never said "Listen to what we say and mindlessly follow," they said "think it though." So if they thought it through, they were looking at past geological changes, current geological changes, folklore, prophecy, whatever and making a decision like I did when I left a good paying job and, er.. left the lovely San Francisco Bay area and came to the mid west, where its humid in summer and cold in the winter and you can hardly get a job that pays above the, well, you know, minimum wage or twice that you're lucky, err... and its erm... you know, your out here with the cows. I did that because I personally took a look at all this evidence and I said I think its goin' to happen and I still do. I have, I have nothing but solid evidence along those lines.
Lou:
Humm.
Nancy:
I don't regret what I've done in other words and I don't blame anybody. I, I take responsibility for what I've done.
Lou:
Awhh I mean that's fine, but you know, there's still the fact remains, ther, there's now a percentage of people that when you say something about the Zetas they're either going to think twice or....
Nancy:
Sure, sure....
Lou:
....they're not even going to think about it at all.
Nancy:
......look at the flip side, er... Lou, err.. you know, they, they know about Zetatalk, they know what the message was, right? Now what happens if rotation slows tomorrow and stops on Sunday? What are those people goin' do say "GEE I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THIS HAPPENED?" They're goin to say, " GASP, ZETATALK WAS RIGHT," and take the steps they were planning taking anyway. You know...
Lou:
Well yeh,
Nancy:
...I'm trying to say....
Lou:
but that's a big what if, you now, we, something, something this, I mean think about it. Something this dramatic, something this big, I'm pretty sure that we would have to be able to see it by now. You know....
Nancy:
Well I've seen it....
Lou:
Things are, science is not that hard to understand, I mean things have a reaction that's fine, OK, the Sun has, you know been goin' through flares and all that other stuff, but at the same time something of this magnitude to stop the, the rotation of the Earth.....
Nancy:
Yes....
Lou:
....you better well say it, I mean the rotation of the Earth didn't stop because of the dinosaurs, you know when the dinosaurs got hit with that meteorite.
Nancy:
Yea Lou, this is not about size, the things is only four times as big as Earth it's because its a big magnet.
Lou:
Yea....
Nancy:
Don't you set two magnets on a table and move the big one past the little one and see the little one go nuts?
Lou:
Yea, but we're talking about planetary objects here, we're not talking about magnets.
Nancy:
Yea, but we're magnets. We have a magnetic field, so does this guy.
Lou:
Yea, but , I mean but think about it for a second, if it was, if it was that sensitive, I mean the Moon would be, be thrown out of orbit, with all the different things that we've gone through the centuries. Don't you think
Nancy:
The Moon is not magnetic. It's, it's gravity hugging the Earth but its not a magnet. It does not have a liquid core.
Lou:
Well.... some would disagree with that.
Nancy:
Well.... it's, its true that human astrophysics and human science, uhmm... even though everybody like to say we've got this down pat, we've put some probes up and we the space station up therefore we're all powerful and all knowing and we're right. Well that's a step away from the Earth is flat. That's, that's not true human, uhmmm...
Lou:
Well there's still people who actually....
Nancy:
.challenges are always saying, whoops now we know, and, and they can't even get all their maths together on the same page, Einstein and Newton for instance can't be put on the same page. You can't put Newton in the inverse square law of, of gravity on the same page in regard to the Moon and people will admit that if they're honest, so uhmm... man's knowledge of how the universe works is sketchy at best and limited to what he's already observed.
Lou:
Well, (Cough) at the same time though, I mean there's people out there that still believe the world is flat. Flat Earth Society.
Nancy:
Yea...
Lou:
Yea.
Nancy:
Yea they do.
Lou:
So different strokes for different folks...
Nancy:
Loath to change, right.
Lou:
So, I mean, I don't know, I mean, it, it, at this particular...
Nancy:
I personally don't feel we have misled people in regards to, ahhh... arrange your camping trip to May 15th or arrange your camping trip for the week of the 20th, uhmm.. that's unfortunate but when you think of the tens of millions of people in cities who haven't even heard this message, who, who don't have web access who don't sit up late and listen to the radio or whatever they have not heard this and they're going to be trapped and harmed, all those little children in arms and all the parents of those little children, my heart goes out to them and I feel that the greater damage would have been done, uhmm.. had we given an exacting date and allowed Homeland security to do what they obviously intended to do.
Lou:
What was your first reaction with this?
Nancy:
I went for a long hike, ha. I went hiking some place it was going to take me several hours to get back and I was going to be in a state of exhaustion and then I sat in the basement for a while, ha, ha, ha, and by that time I understood what had happened and why. And then I finally got an e-mail, I was off e-mail for several day's, you know, most of the week. Then I had my set answer and I just did as they said, bla date and what about I did a copy-paste-send, ho, ho, ho, to I don't know thousands of e-mails. That was my reaction. You know, what else could I do?
Lou:
Well, ea, em, ha.....
Nancy:
And then it got to be the 26th.....
Lou:
Right.
Nancy:
and this is how I knew there was going to be global quakes, It was, it was the, err, uhmm.. the middle of the night on the 25th, well I just said the wee hours on the morning of the 26th and I woke up at 2 o'clock in the morning feeling, thinking someone was running a jackhammer somewhere, I felt, it was not shaking the pictures on the wall or rattling the dishes in the cupboard but it was a bub, bub, bub, it felt like. I thought what is that, so I went down and checked the live siesmos and found we had, uhmm... earthquakes at that time and the next night I had the same thing that's why I captured uhmm.. May 26th, cause I physically felt that in the middle of this big earthquake displayed here in Wisconsin. So when I was watching that unfold I realised that something indeed was right around the corner.
Lou:
I don't know Nancy, ha, ha, ha, I don't know dear, I would have been really ****ed off, you know. I would have told the Zetas to go fly a kite.
Nancy:
But you know, it, it, I can see, I can see the rational I can see what they did and I have to tell you Lou, I honestly believe it was going to happen on the 20th, oh, the rotation stoppage, I really did or I could not have relayed that message in all seriousness, the government has remote viewers and they can pick up what's in a humans head, so if I believed this was, like ahh.. false state floated they would have picked that up. So I actually had to believe it and I did and I was like, I was out running around measuring the Sunset and said "well it seems to me," you know, and, and the sunrise and sunset they're a little goofy these days it seems to be rising and setting too far north, many many people have commented about that, but, uhmmm... it can be a little confusing, but I was really thinking we was really going to have it happen. I went out shopping, bought lots of toilet paper, this kind of thing, yea.
Lou:
Do you rack your credit card bills up or what?
Nancy:
I did that long ago.
Lou:
Ha, ha , ha.
Nancy:
I have no credit, no savings.
Lou:
Did you see the lawsuit people are putting against you now?
Nancy:
Well, I'm afraid if I had control of them, you know like if they gave me their money to invest, something like that, you know, but I, that's, that's just patently silly. Wouldn't get anything anyway (laughing,) I never made, you know I'm completely broke, and I'm almost ten thousand dollars in debt over even getting the book published, which I'll never see that money back, err.... and, and that's one but the second is, just because somebody says something's going to happen if you run off and adjust your life because of it you're an adult, you know, I mean if the weatherman says he thinks there's going to be a hurricane coming and, and you quickly sell your house and rush off to some place, and it doesn't happen, you don't sue the weatherman....
Lou:
Yea, but yea that's different Nancy, that's a little bit different that the weatherman. The weatherman doesn't come on every night and say yea know there's this big hurricane comin' with three hundred mile per hour winds and keep doin' it over and over again sayin' he's getting the information from aliens.
Nancy:
Well, you know, if you go into a court and say to a judge this woman who talks to aliens said these things and phenomenal as it seems and NASA always denied it and everybody always denied it and called her nuts, ahh... but I believed it and I err.. you know, ahhhhh.... went off and dug a hole in a hill somewhere and sat there and it didn't happen so I'm suing her for everything she has, you'd get laughed out of court,
Lou:
Yea, but, but you never know in these days cause' people can sue over hot spilled coffee at er.. Mac Donald's or Dunkin Donuts.
Nancy:
I think you have to have some sort of control over the persons life and if you just give information out and someone chooses to believe it, uhmmm... then that's different, they are making a choice as to what they believe.
Lou:
Well, er.. I don't know. I er... I would have a hard time with this particular point with believing anything the Zetas said. I mean, don't you, don't you, don't you in the back of your mind Nancy, come on?
Nancy:
No, not at all, no, no, no.
Lou:
You really don't.
Nancy:
I'll tell you, I actually Lou, I do not and, and we're, think its comin' on, we're very close and I see physical evidence of that , but what we are saying to people is do what you should be doing all along and what we have advised you to do all along, LOOK, THINK, WATCH. You know North Carolina had four dams break in two days, ahhh.. and, and we've had uhmm... France have a gas line explosion, but four dams in two days, and I've heard from people who live in North Carolina and they say we have to tell you, rain did not do this and this is the type of thing that is not addressed. you know, uh... we, we're having odd er... physical experiences, you know stretching uhmm... and reactions in the Earth and its just going get started the increase. We've warned people, they've had the message when it happens they'll be armed with a sequence of events that they're not going to get from their government. They will not get this from their government and for that I have no regrets.
Lou:
OK, but think about this for a second, you, you've done your job, right, you've warned the people, you can only warn them so much, the Zetas talked, they lied, I mean isn't it time we just stepped back from the podium and let people decide on their own. Who, who really cares what, you know?
Nancy:
Can we have Mount Wilson point at the sunrise, really point at it like "Misty" did and take a real live cam. They won't do it. Now why aren't the doing that Lou?
Lou:
But who cares?
Nancy:
What is the harm, she, she photographed, I mean she imaged from their "web cam" in a series, its just stunning, here it comes, up, and here comes the Sun and they're absolutely distinct there's no way that's a reflection of the Sun, like a "sun dog," there's no way that's a reflection of the Moon, it cannot... and, and they, their reaction to that was, point that at Pasadena, you know, and city lights, turn it off and say the government asked them to turn it off for National Security reasons, claim that big round thing is the Moon, when you can see the Moon hanging under it, a tiny little crescent, crescent its like your tip of your finger nail can't make a big round glowing orb like that, it looks like.. she thought it was the Sun. And then to point it at the sunrise inserting blanks, at certain times and trying to use old sunrise pictures and then deciding just to turn it at an angle where you can't see the area of the sky where this thing rose. Now this is all documented on my web sit. Now why are they doing that Lou if nothing is THERE?
Lou:
Well, it's the same reason why the Vatican doesn't release, you know, what's inside of those eighteen miles worth of tunnels they have there....
Nancy:
Yea why they're over there in Tucson Arizona peeking towards the southern sky.
Lou:
Well yea, but that, that's their own interests.
Nancy:
You really think that the fourth Fatima secret was ehmm.. the assassination of a Pope? Like we would care? I mean that....
Lou:
I don't think, I think that...
Nancy:
....that's not the biggy that made all those children faint.
Lou:
....I think the Roman Catholic Church has a lot more to deal with than, than a Planet X. Don't you think?
Nancy:
Yes, yes I would agree.
Lou:
You know, I, I mean we're, its.. I don't know, I mean, if this was me, Nancy I mean honestly, I mean, after what, how longs it been? Eight years?
Nancy:
Since 1995, yea, I know what you're going to say....
Lou:
Oh... I mean...
Nancy:
...throw it on the garbage pail, right? Can I ask you this Lou? If rotation stopped Sunday ehmm... and if, if the sun was standing at the nine o'clock or ten o'clock position day after day, what would you say to yourself?
Lou:
I'm going... to tell...
Nancy:
Be honest now, what would you say
Lou:
....I'm probably going to die, Nancy was right....
Nancy:
There you go.
Lou:
....but you can say that about anything on this planet that you, er.. you can come up with.
Nancy:
That right and wouldn't you say to your neighbour "grab the kiddies and run for the hills," because here's what's going to happen and bla.. blaa and don't be in buildings that might fall on you. You would know exactly what to expect....
Lou:
Right, but, but, Nancy....
Nancy:
....the sequence of events and what to do to save yourself and protect yourself, what to guard against.
Lou:
That's all fine and dandy, but the problem is Nancy now that the, the Zetas have lied don't you think that people are going to more apt now to really come after you if you're wrong again?
Nancy:
You think this was about making Nancy comfortable ever, ever? I have no money, you know, I'm, I've been, ahh... a target like you would not believe since 1995, you know, and, and ah.. in way's that I couldn't even describe her on the air. So do you think the fact that people might roar toward me and do their damnest is bothering me. I know that I'm getting an important message out, and I have great confidence that this is still coming because I'm looking at the quake statistics, I'm looking at the photographs, I'm looking at the Earth changes and I'm watching the way the government reacted and I have no change of opinion. I know I was used to put a false statement out there, I understand the reason and I agree with it. So am I worried that Nancy's going to be beat-up. Nancy has been beat-up. Nancy is nothing but a punching bag, never has been anything but that by the general public.
Lou:
Well I must say you have a you have a pretty big following Nancy, you know that, that....
Nancy:
It, it's, it's rooted in facts and uhmm, you know er.. I got on, er...
Lou:
But see there's always the other side of the coin too.
Nancy:
Yea, but you know, er.. Lou the other side of the coin is people who say "they said and therefore we should believe," and, and we have never asked people to blindly follow. That has never been the message. I don't care what people say, they tried to say we're a cult, but a cult requires people to blindly follow that has never been what Zetatalk has said. If you actually read it, it constantly said rely on yourself, use your own, you know, capacity to think, come to your own decisions and we've always allowed a great deal of argument and discussions, pros and cons to go on, encouraged it, the whole Troubled Time mailing list group is one, where people give out this, where maybe its just nothing and its all wet, and maybe this other guy over here, what about this, that's been encouraged because we're asking people to think. If you look at the "sighting" pages, where we ah.. team of people and, and making these images since the fall of 2002, on CCD images, you know, first its a dot, then its a tail haze, and then here are it looks like asteroids, but no there's a moon, that type of thing we deliberately put out our arguments among the sighting tem, no ahmm.. no I think its this, but that couldn't be and, and, we, we put these discussions on the web to show people that among our own team we argue and , and allow dissention and this is to encourage people to jump in and do the same but don't buy a dictate, were asking people to take control of their life and think and look, always have.
Lou:
Well....
Nancy:
He, he, he, he.
Lou:
....you haven't convinced me Nancy...
Nancy:
You know Lou....
Lou:
In all honesty....
Nancy:
....if we go months and months here and nothing happens you've got a right to throw tomatoes at me....
Lou:
Ha, ha, ha...
Nancy:
....but, but tell me that Mount Wilson isn't doing something funky here, you know, ever since, you know, she, she comes up with these pictures on the 26th and 27th and they say its a reflection of the Moon which can hardly be seen as a crescent and then refuse to point the "web cam," I was on K Rock Monday morning, LA's FM station, morning station, and I said to the people "Hey... go and ask Mount Wilson why they won't point at the sunrise?" you know, and go and sit up there next to their "web cam" if they refuse to do it and see for yourself, take your own pictures, but challenge them, if there's not a cover-up. Well they tried, tried taking it off-line and, and they tried to say, and, and now they figured out that they just point at the sunrise but they, but they exclude that part of the sky, well they're gaming around here, you know, they, they're trying to say er.. they are doing it, but they're not. So you can't deal with public pressure, you know, they won't ah.. they won't point it where the whole world can see there's something there and as big as your ***, and up it comes and it looks like the Sun and she thought it was the Sun.
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Nancy:
I hope I didn't say the wrong word on live radio, here?
Lou:
No.
Nancy:
It was big. You got to see this. Go look.
Lou:
Well you can say ***.
Nancy:
Ok good.
Lou:
That's fine, you know.
Nancy:
Alright thanks
Lou:
Like, I hope your not blowing smoke up people's ***, you know, ha, ha, ha.
Nancy:
He, he, that's true, people say that.
Lou:
Well, look Nancy, you know, this, this is something that a lot of people, you know, believe with what you were saying and what the Zetas were saying, although the one thing, and I've said it many times before, that, you know, just really.. I can't understand is why people.. or why can't give people some kind of evidence that these Zetas are real.
Nancy:
Oh, I have something ermm... there was something that, not that I took it, but recently there... and some guy actually took erm... a video of it and I think we have more than one of the Sun, there's a, a brown er.. round circle in the middle of the Sun, or a series of them in a line, in front of the Sun and people have commented about this, they've seen it, they've taken pictures and I actually have a picture on my website of erm.. something I got from another website, anyway what can that be if its not on the SOHO, its not a piece of dirt on the lens, its a MOTHERSHIP. And I'm, I'm saying to you that if people want evidence that aliens exist its all around you. You can go look at crop circles and people say "Hey there two guys with boards, " give me a break, those, that grain is bent at a 90 degree angle, not broken, bent and continues to grow, you, you, you take a bunch a guys with boards and have them smash around in a grain field and that grain is not growing any longer. man does not know how to do this to grain, and when they talk about this in the news and, and they say Oh, its fake, and here's two guys with boards and they've been running around all over the Earth making all these beautiful, breathtaking geometrical that appear within seconds, yea sure, uhmm.. nobody ever addresses the fact that the grain is not broken, but continues to grow and more rapidly than the other grain, as though a growth hormone was used to cause the 90 degree change. Well you grow something on the side of the stem it will bend over at a 90 degree angle, not break uhmm.. and be stimulated from this growth hormone. That's what I think they're doing. Now if that isn't proof that aliens exist, I don't know what is.
Lou:
How, how about the simple fact you could prove a test to the people... Do something...
Nancy:
Well, your saying we should have a bunch of space ships land.....
Lou:
No, no....
Nancy:
....saying Planet X is coming....
Lou:
....no, no, I'm not saying that....
Nancy:
....spelling out the words.
Lou:
What I'm saying is... if indeed these are aliens don't you think the people that are, don't you think you owe it to the people to tell the al.. the Zetas, to demand the Zetas to give you some kind of conclusive evidence, you know, throw out all, all these, all the prophecies and all the, the, give em' something. Some kind of technology, some kind of equation, whatever. People don't want to hear that they can't use zero's and ones and all that other cause' if they're intelligent enough to deal with what they're doing they're intelligent enough to translate. People need that.
Nancy:
Yea, but you know what, you know what you're describing Lou, if, if you erm... put on your listening cap and listen back to what you just said. Your saying. uhmm... I'm a child and I want to be, uhmm.. absolutely sure that my parents are there and be told what to believe....
Lou:
Thats not what, that's not what I'm saying....
Nancy:
...that's not what this world is about....
Lou:
That's not what I'm saying....
Nancy:
....we are taking people, I mean the, the "powers that be" are expecting people to mature spiritually, figure things out on their own and learn how to help each other, you don't get this by giving solid proof and you don't get this by er.. being told what to do and what to believe, you sort it out yourself....
Lou:
No...
Nancy:
...there's a second reason....
Lou:
No, no....
Nancy:
....that's not done and that is...
Lou:
That's a cop-out, Nancy....
Nancy:
....people attack the messenger....
Lou:
Nancy, Nancy....
Nancy:
....and they ahh... someone came forward and said "here is is I have this absolute mathematical thing, uhmm.....
Lou:
....Nancy....
Nancy:
.....look at how much resistance is given to the ahhm... Zetatalk message, and they, they attacks rises and the denial rises and the brick wall rises in proportion to the threat that's presented. Some times a muted message better received than one that's irrefutable.
Lou:
Not in, Nancy, not in this situation, dear. In this situation many people are going to view this as psycho-babble, psychic's do it all the time. "Well the spirit, you know, are not allowed to do that in the spirit world". They do it all the time. People who contact aliens, not necessarily, or they channel aliens or "Well they can't do it because, you know, they, they're not allowed to, to err.. to, to decipher codes its against their laws." Well if its against their laws it should be against their laws to contact humans and interfere what so ever, because as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure you would agree with this Nancy, this is interfering in a big way, wouldn't you say?
Nancy:
Yea but, but err... it, it's true it's not a cut and dried rule and its also based people wanting to uhmm... asking for this information in the first place. If people don't reach out and ask er.. it doesn't happen, but, but they do, they want, they want information, they want more uhmm... err... access to information and they get it and that's what contactee's er.. in, in essence are receiving, but, but Lou I got to say to you Zetatalk would never have gained the popularity it did if it was psycho-babble. It has always referred to, and given predictions about things that were going to come, like the current weather err.. and the like and said this is what's around the corner, now I've never spammed e-mail, I've never gone out and solicited people, I never said "oh please link to me, put me on your radio show." You know this has never happened. In fact you've got to admit I've never called you guys and say "Hey I've got to get on." I get invited to come...
Lou:
Sure... that's, that's exactly true.
Nancy:
....and, and that's true of all other radio stations I've ever been on. I do not call up and say put me on. So uhmm.. this is not because its psycho-babble, because there's all kinds of people like that out there who say "I'M IN TOUCH WITH THE WHATEVER" and here's the message and it, its ah... they get no where. (Cough) or they beg for it and they, and they, they ahh... sometimes they pay for it, but, but they don't get the kind of attention I get which comes to my door and has me in a state of exhaustion all the time here, because there's a ring of truth to it and it relates to facts and, and the predictions uhmm... roll out as predicted with the exception of that those dates, yes.
Lou:
Ok, when we come back I'm just going to, just going to talk to you about what the psychics do and how a lot of the psychics are proven and how people follow these psychics. Just, I'm just going to give you an example. All right we'll be back with the Lou Gentile show, with Nancy Lieder right after this....
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