View Single Post
  #69 (permalink)  
Old 28-May-2007, 08:15 AM
Michael Noonan's Avatar
Michael Noonan Michael Noonan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deep in thought
Posts: 1,668
Smile Spin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Mechanic View Post
The ISU Dialogues, Part Three -- Things ATMers Forget (or Never Learn in the First Place)

(snip)

CM: "True, true. So let's begin. The first thing that theories such as Bogie's ISU and its EEPs and Sylwester Kornowski's theory with its 'eterions' and 'higgsons' forget is angular momentum--spin in other words. Neither of these theories says anything at all about the spins of their fundamental particles and how these particles are to be put together to yield the observed spins of the fundamental particles that we do observe."

DB: "Could the spin of the composite be due to orbital angular momentum of the components?"

CM: "Not entirely, because orbital angular momentum can only be integral. To get a half-integral total momentum you must have an odd number of fermions. You cannot build a fermion from bosons alone."

DB: "Then Bogie's EEPs must be fermions."

BH: "But he claims millions and even billions in the electron and proton. How is it that these particles have the minimum possible angular momentum? How is it that all of the orbital and spin angular momentum from all those particles magically almost cancel?"

CM: "That's a severe problem.

(snip)

To be continued ...
Particles are not spinning locally.

Spin results from the fluid like flow of the EEPs a corriolas effect.
Take a cork in a whirlpool, it has a regular spin because of the water flow.
From the point of view of the cork it is stationary.
The cork does not "experience" spin.

Particles do not "experience" spin.
Because we are an outside observer we do not see the flow of the EEPs.
We do see the particle and to us it is spinning.

Take an elephant examining its trunk, it sees skin.
The elephant does NOT see the spin of its particles but they do spin.
From the elephants limited point of view its trunk is very stable.

We have electron microscopes and we can only get down to electrons.
So we see spin but can not see down to the level of flow.
From the electron microscopes limited point of view it sees spin.

If it was possible to look further down in size the particle would not spin.
It is floating in a sea of EEPs and is very stable.
What you would see is the vortex like spin of the flow of EEPs.

Cheers Mike

Last edited by Michael Noonan; 28-May-2007 at 08:18 AM. Reason: Spelling and missed two words