I just want to say that the moderators of this forum use some pretty low tactics.

First example--

9/11 was an inside job
On post #22 of this thread I said this.

The only post by Tinaa before that had been this.

(post #19)

The next day there was another post by Tinaa that hadn't been there before my last post on the first day.
This is part of it.

It was pretty low of you to put this before my last post after I signed off for the day and logged out. If I had seen that message about the 6:00 deadline, I wouldn't have simply said "That's all the time I have today. I'll continue in a day or two.". I would have explained that I wouldn't have time to do any lengthy writing for a couple of days. Did you want the viewers to think that I was ignoring the deadline? Post #22 was post # 21 the day before the thread was closed.

Second example--

This is from the first post of the thread.



I still want to hear an explanation from the moderator about why he said I hadn't addressed the questions put to me when I had.

I asked some specific questions about some specific issues on that thread. Here is one of them.

I was referring to post #1148 on this page.
911 pentagon
The thermite issue was also being discussed on the Pentagon thread.
post #1163
I wanted to continue this discussion.
I also wanted to discuss this.
http://worcester.indymedia.org/news/...95_comment.php
We started talking about this on the Penagon thread and didn't finish because the thread was closed.
I posted enough issues to start a healthy discussion and I posted some videos so anyone who wanted to add something could have done so. Why don't you want to discuss the issues I posted? Can't you deal with those issues? Asking me to write a lengthy summary of the info that was already there was a pretty lame excuse for closing the thread.

I also asked several times for an explanation on why the moderator said I hadn't answered the questions put to me when I had in the Pentagon thread. It was ignored every time.
Please answer the question.

You expect those here to take the time to view the dozens of videos you link to, yet you can't seem to invest the same amount of time to your own threads.

Why is that??

First of all, it's pretty difficult to work out who said what in all these quoted bits.

Secondly, nobody said "lengthy" apart from you.

Thirdly, a lot of people on your last thread pointed out that your approach is not how things are done here.

Finally, Tinaa said, "David C do not open a new thread posting the same stuff. If you have any new stuff, please PM a mod to reopen the thread. If you have taken the time to write your own analysis, PM a mod to reopen the thread." That's not exactly censorship, is it?

Look at my post again.

I asked some direct questions about some specific issues. Not addressing them because I'd posted some videos too is a pretty lame excuse.
One was addressed though--building 7. I would have like to continue talking about the others too.

When is the moderator who closed the Pentagon thread going to answer my question?

She put the post with the deadline before my post when I said I was signing off. That's deceit. She should have put it after my post.

In a hurry??

Actually, that is not something we are capable of doing.
If she posted it minutes before you posted yours you wouldn't have seen it while you composed your sign-out. Perhaps that is what happened.

One of my concerns in all this is that you have some expectation that the moderators have a lot of time, but that your time is precious. If you think of us as other human beings who are doing this as a hobby, you'd realize that you could have simply PMed her and explained the situation. Tinaa is very nice, but very busy too.

One thing that I keep trying to point out is that even though our debates are adversarial, that doesn't mean our relationships have to be. You can present as far from the mainstream view as you like and still be on good terms with everyone here if you:
- Put the time in to make your points clear, concise, and unambiguous
- Respect the time other people have to put in to read/watch your presentation
- Answer direct qustions as best you can (which may simply be "I don't know yet")
- Acknowledge other viewpoints

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When are you going to explain the bogus reason you gave for closing the Pentgon thread? Look at the last post of that thread and then look at the first post of this thread.

David...listen to what Antoniseb has said. The mods here will bend over backwards to accommodate you, but that accommodation can be lost forever if you decide to "cop an attitude".

Boy, they sure do. You are told not to continue posting the same links ad nauseum, but to put your ideas into your own words. When you fail to do so, they close the thread just like they said they would.

Of course, the Mods are also pretty stupid when it comes to censorship. They close the thread, but leave it there for anyone to access and read. They even tell you they will reopen the thread if you have something new to add.

Man, talk about your low tactics...

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No, you have not had healthy discussions. I for one can not watch all these videos. I have a dial-up connection at home and our corporate policy forbids watching videos at work. Yet all you ever post are links to videos.

And when people present EVIDENCE that is counter to your points you just dismiss it with "watch the video". Plus, your rules of "evidence" are illogical; as near as I can tell, stuff that agrees with your points is "proof", stuff that disagrees is dismissed as "just evidence".

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and no matter how much "just evidence" is presented against your case, it remains worthless.

no matter how little straws to grasp at are found for your case, it is conclusive proof.

That is not what I consider a healthy discussion, especially not with the sauce of attitude in which it is held.

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And yet, for all your seeming violations of our local customs, everyone here is ready to forgive everything as mere adaptation to a new environment if you will just follow the suggestions above. We like clear discussions. If you participate in a productive way, all the things we're complaining about will be regarded as stuff that happened before you 'got' the way we do business.

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I can certainly agree on that, and even though we've had quite a long "history" I am still more than willing to have a serious, polite, clear, and productive discussion with you, as this is the goal of this board.

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To the regular visitor of internet bulletin boards it is clear that it's an excellent idea your parents get to choose your real name.

As a moderator in another forum I have taken a more than passing interest in this thread.

I have read over many of your previous posts and you seem to have a very confrontational manner with those that seem to disagree with your ideas ("Isn't everything you need to know obvious from the pictures? It was obvious to me.") When your "evidence" has been proven to be erroneous by thoughtful and well-thought out arguments, you cry foul.

When asked to provide evidence other than videos and pictures, you fall short. By expecting your "evidence" to be interpreted in a by others in your manner (ignoring testimony and evidence by reliable, knowledgable people, many who were there), you are expecting others to discard the sensible way in which they look at things.

Moderators are volunteers with their time and efforts. There main job is to maintain the decorum and integrity of the forum. By asking you to provide RELIABLE evidence, instead of the same video stuff, they were asking you to follow the forum guidelines. While it may have been better if Tinaa had given you more time, it is likely that you would not have brought anything new to the post.

By making a post of your problems with the moderators you have taken this to antother level. You should have PM'd the moderator(s) with your concerns. Instead, you have turned this into a whizzing contest, with you as the only contestant.

tbm

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Can we at least put this whizzing contest in About BAUT, or something?

Unless David has a bunch of blurry internet video clips that make it totally clear that there's a conspiracy going on, of course.

I would not do such a thing even if it were possible. Be glad you accused me of lying and not a user or you'd be out of here forever! I have absolutely nothing to prove here. I feel I am quite easy going - perhaps too much so at times. I like to give people enough rope to, well you know...

Your holier-than-thou and in-your-face posting does nothing to further your cause. You may argue to your heart's content that 911 was done by my dog (or dogs to make it a proper conspiracy), but you must do it in the proper manner. Posting a bunch of garbage from CT sites and expecting BAUT members to spend their and my time watching the junk - (to use a BAUT appropriate word) - is not the proper way to present your case. Expect me to close each and every topic you begin if this is how who plan on presenting your case.
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David C,

In your other gigantic thread, you were asked to provide real answers and proof of several questions. I contributed greatly to those questions, and was one of those who felt that "It could have been planted" was not an appropriate answer.

I don't input this to toot my own horn. I input this to note that not only moderators, but forum members in general have spent an enormous amount of time answering your questions in painstaking detail. You simply refuse to respond in kind. Along with many others, I also felt you were evading, not answering, questions put directly to you.

I agree 100% with, and will whole-heartedly support, as will most of the board, clamping your link-bombing down until you agree to answer by the same rules you expect us to answer you with.

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Look out, he may post a video showing evidence of time travel........

tbm

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