Here is dark red body which has got path comparable with my predictions for Planet X, Nemesis!!!

Maybe it is not X or Nemesis, but some satellite sharing similar path.

If you look at its moon's orbit so you can estimate mass of Sedna...

I think that JPL, NASA, Pentagon are giving us results of their researches only in small pieces. They also try to arrange, that these results are their own, though these are from big part results of independent researchers how I am...

The most distant object ever seen orbiting the Sun is nearly as large as Pluto, expanding astronomers notions of how the solar system formed and what resides in its outskirts.
The discovery image of Sedna from Palomar Observatory. Credit: NASA/Caltech/M. Brown

The round world is currently three times farther away than Pluto from the Sun, a distance that expands even further on its 10,000-year orbit[/b]. It sits in a part of the solar system that some astronomers had thought empty. It is redder and brighter than anything astronomers have seen in the outer solar system, and scientists don't know why.

The object may even have its own little moon.

"There's absolutely nothing else like it known in the solar system," said Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, Calif.

Other researchers say they're not even sure how to classify the object, and the puzzling discovery is just the beginning of many years of investigation that will be needed to figure out the nature of space beyond Neptune.

The discovery was led by Brown, who discussed it today at a NASA press conference.

Brown does not consider Sedna to be a planet. He and many other astronomers maintain that Pluto should not have ever received planet status, either, since astronomers are now finding myriad round objects beyond the orbit of Neptune, and several of them are quite large.

Pluto is about 1,413 miles (2,274 kilometers) wide. Sedna is estimated at no more than 1,100 miles (1,770 kilometers) in diameter. It may be the largest object in the solar system after Pluto, but more observations are needed to pin that down.

Sedna is some 8 billion miles away, or 86 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun. One AU is the distance from Earth to the Sun (93 million miles). Pluto is, on average, 39.5 AU from the Sun. But Sedna's orbit, tracked since November when it was first spotted, can bring the object out to some 84 billion miles. It is a very elliptical orbit.

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So you knew about Sedna before the astronomers did? Do tell! I don't recall your predications for its orbit or coordinates on where to find it. Are you suggesting the NASA is cribbing information from you and claiming it as their own?

Better call out the lawyers, I think you have a case. #-o

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Resenmut,

You ought to supply attributions if you're going to lift blocks of text wholesale from other sources.

For instance, most of your original post appeared originally at:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...tersolarsystem

I'm a writer, so I'm probably being overly picky, but doing cut-n-pastes of someone else's words without at least a nod in their direction just isn't cool.

I'm not assigning any sinister motives or actions to you -- I'm just reminding you that you ought to identify the sources in your posts, if you're going to paste them in verbatim.

That said, it's neither Nibiru nor Nemesis.

Ah, Pavel, so nice to see you here again. Too bad you're spouting the same brand of nonsense.

Absolute equine digestive biomass. Your imaginary orbit of Planet X was elliptical, of period 3600 years +/- a bit...this object's orbit is circular, of period 10,500 years. Nothing similar here to X/Nemesis at all. And the red color signifies what, other than a coincidence?
EDITED TO CATCH A MISTAKE: Okay, both orbits are elliptical, but X was stated to be of period 3600yr +/- a bit, and Sedna is of period 10,500yr. And Sedna doesn't come anywhere near the inner planets of the Solar System, so how could it have been affecting Earth the way you say it was? It's too far out and too dim to even be seen with the naked eye, so how could it be the one in all those clay cylinders, tapestries, carpets, and other antiques?

Don't you even read what you copy and paste? It may have a moon. No one's even proven there is one to analyze an orbit of, yet.


What insufferable arrogance, equating your 'researches' with legitimate scientific observations. You should be ashamed of yourself for even thinking this, let alone uttering it in public.


Copy and paste. An extremely poor attempt at legitimacy of the wild imaginings you've been posting. The information in this article lends no validation whatsoever to the stuff you've spouted here before. Your attempt to twist reality to match imagination just isn't going to work, Pavel. Especially here.

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Sorry to nitpick here Charlie but I thought Sedna had a very elliptical orbit, taking it from about 75AU out to around 150AU (which of course means its not PX since it doesn't even come close to Neptune, nor does it have the mass to be 'Nemesis').

(edited to add: looks like 150 AU is wrong, see other posts for better information, 150AU was a WAG anyway. )

I've got to remember that one.

Actually, Sedna's orbit is rather elliptical, with an eccentricity around 0.84, perihelion around 76 AU, aphelion around 850 AU.
Still not much like PX at all, overall. Especially in not being four times as large as Earth (or is that just an attribute of Nancy's own PX?).

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This could set the record for "least true statement ever". An hour AFTER you wrote this, you were predicting in another thread that Planet X was between Uranus and Neptune. Sedna is three times further out than Pluto.

I think you may be more interested in alt.alien.visitors or www.Godlikeproductions.com.

Maybe even http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/





Hope that helps

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Better yet, groups.yahoo.com/group/ps2004

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1.Till now high ranked conservative astronomers (the bigest part of all) supposed, that there not exists bigger body (planet, moon sized) on extreme elliptic path in our solar system, that this is not even possible. On my web page mujweb.cz/spolecnost/bode
I gave arguments that it is possible.

2. Directions of main half axes, inclination of Sedna's orbit's plane is nearly identical with X. orbital time is within X's and Nemesis's.

3. Compare position of X from Senmut's map and from my oriental carpet with Sedna's. it is the same area of sky....

4. Orbital time of Sedna is according JPL around 10000 years, but this is only estimation, because JPL don't count orbit of Sedna in case that very heavy X (1/40 of Sun's mass) is here quite close.

5. I think that Sedna could be something like Troyans toward Jupiter. It share the same or nearly the same path with X...

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Resenmut, You posted the same thing over here. Can you please try to contain your subjects to a single thread.

Thank You.

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You do nothing but playing chicken with the term "extreme elliptical path"

In the term used here it means " an extreme elliptical orbit crosing the inner solar system".

And inner solar system has to be understood as "crossing the inner planets orbits"

and "not possible" is a replacement for " its orbit is extremely unstable", which means its orbit is altered every time it crosses the inner solar system, including the possibility of gaining the little additional speed to finally leave the solar system.

Lest we forget...the closest that Sedena gets to the Sun is way outside the orbit of Pluto.

I agree with SpyEyeGuy...it's not Niburu and it's not Nemesis.

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Pavel, I'm gonna bill you for a large hard Arkansas stone and a bottle of sharpening oil. I'm wearing out my filleting knife on your posts...

What 'high ranked conservative astronomers'? Let's have some names.
'...the biggest part of all...'? Numbers - how many we talkin' here?
Yeah, you gave arguments that such a body could have such an orbit, but your arguments were countered with mere mundane facts of why it wasn't possible, and there was no evidence that it ever happened.

X has been plotted as jinking and weaving like a tailback on a broken blocking play. It's been moving in so many directions at so many speeds, it doesn't have an orbit any more, just a vector...and the last time I looked, a ten thousand-plus year orbit was nowhere near '...within...' a 3600-year one. Ane what is this 'X and Nemesis' stuff? Are you claiming that they're two separate objects now?

So are the clouds that pass by daily. That doesn't mean diddly squat. You might as well equate the rate of carrot consumption and use of pushpins with the number of traffic accidents per capita down at the end of my block.

Sedna's orbit is only an estimate, because they haven't factored in X's gravity...absolute bovine colonic remnants (there's another one for ya, Drak...). If there was an object 1/40th the Sun's mass shooting through the Solar System, we'd see its effects on the orbits of all the planets. Nothing like that has been observed. There is no object like that affecting the orbit of anything in the Solar System, be it inner planet, outer planet, Kuiper Belt Object, Oort Cloud Object, floater in your eyeball, or curve ball on the outside edge of the plate at Cincinnati's spring training camp.

'...I think...' -- that statement is in grave doubt at this point in the exercise.

Pavel, enough with the carpets and the philosophizing and the imagining and the grasping at straws. Let's either show some lower digestive system activity, or cease and desist occupying the small ceramic container. RA and Dec, please. Indicate the Zodiacal sign in question. Just point in the general direction already, willya?
SHOW US PLANET X!

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Oh my god, that's it. It's not a planet, its a giant space ship. The Vorlons are here and their pilot is drunk! Run! #-o ops:

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Somehow I don't think I want to know either what takes to get a Vorlon drunk or to be near one!

Hey Charlie once you run out of bovine descriptions what will you use? Equines?

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Wouldn't that be beating a dead... oh. Never mind. :wink:

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I can bet million dollars, that if next bigger (planetoid... comparable with Qaoar...) body will be discovered in short time (1, 2 years) behind Pluto, in comparable or even farther distance than Sedna is, so JPL, NASA calculate for it the nearly the same orbit.
Why?
It is because they don't count with opposite motion of Sun with planets toward X.
Result is, that this opposite motion causes in paralaxa, in path of Sedna..., mirror efect.
Nearly circular path of such body + errors from not involving influences of X on positions, motions of Sun can cause it.
Look at place of Sedna's actual position on its orbit. It is close to its perihelia according JPL calculations. It is circa 75 years from 10500.
It is in the simillar relation like 10 to 1500!!!
think about...
http://mujweb.cz/spolecnost/bode

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More fluff resenmut? Look, I usually don't comment on your posts all that often because I don't find your presentation to be coherent/credible enough to be taken seriously.. I just happened to be on this board when you dropped off this latest lemon. Others have asked you to give the coordinates for your mythical planet and as far as I can tell, you haven't helped anyone find it. This continual posting isn't helping you, trust me. I know you're from the Czech Republic and will give you credit for posting in a foreign language .. God knows I couldn't post in your language, but when it comes to astronomy -- you are lacking. Your presentation (even if I skip the rugs, spires, etc) is incoherent. Your postings also defy logic. You ramble .. there's no way to sugar-coat it. I won't presume to speak for the woowoo crowd, but I doubt even most of them find your spiel credible .. and they want/need to believe! Putting your rogue planet aside for a minute, I have a question.. how old are you?

Brown, Trujillo and David Rabinowitz from Yale University first observed Sedna on November 14, 2003, using the 122cm Samuel Oschin Telescope at Caltech's Palomar Observatory near San Diego.

How many objects comparable or even bigger than Sedna have they got in their lists?

Why only now was given anouncement!!!

Are not so called not appropriate announcements, discoveries canceled, or hidden for some time?

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Resenmut, do you think one should make such an announcement right away, or wait a bit for confirmation?

Would 4 months be too long to make sure your observation is valid?

...that you don't have...

Entirely possible.

Entirely impossible. "Opposite motion of the sun"? What is this garbage? These bodies are in orbit around the Sun, which means that they are under control of the Sun's gravity, which means that the Sun pulls them along in the Solar System's merry little jaunt through the cosmos. The Sun doesn't decide to run away on occasion, leaving the bodies in question to chase the Sun down whatever way they can.

What are you babbling about? Pavel, you need to get someone to translate your stuff into English. Your posts are rapidly becoming incomprehensible. Have you been reading Nancy's 'Repulsive Force Of Gravitational Attraction' doctoral thesis again?

Okay, hold it. Now you should have caught this one, because I made the same mistake myself, and caught my error. A few minutes back, we were all commenting that Sedna's orbit is a very long ellipse. Now you're saying that it's circular. Make up your mind, willya?

TWEEEEEEEEEEEEET! Foul! Two shots and half the distance to third base, still the first chukker! No way are you getting away with this mathematical malfeasance, Pavel! These numbers you spout so cavalierly are ratios that happen to be similar, not absolutes that are identical! You cannot legitimately claim that since some sets of numerical values are similar, the distances they represent are identical! Nay, nay, ain't no way! And that generic mammalian fertilizer about Bode's Law is a waste of screen phosphors, in that it doesn't prove beans about X's existence.

You have no evidence whatsoever about the physical existence of Planet X, Pavel. Assumptions of this, interpretations of that, misreadings of the other, carpets and flags and bullsqueezin's, oh my! What's next - tea leaves?

It would be so simple to draw all of this to a halt in your favor, Pavel. All you have to do is go outside and show us what we have been searching for these last couple of years. Please do it soon. Otherwise, go away and bother someone else. You have gone past the ridiculous, and are now merely tiring.

SHOW US PLANET X!

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Absolutely. It's a worldwide conspiracy dedicated to making you look bad. Of course, the boys could phone this one in, it's so easy. Guaranteed they're not breaking a sweat on it.

Stop accusing and stop imagining.
SHOW US PLANET X!

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Charlie in Dayton, A.AsC.

I guess that answered my question

How about just flipping a coin? it would give a better chance of arriving a the right answer.....

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Resemut: I am a Slovak American, if I was posting on a BB in your country and language, I would at least try to learn it!!! I was trained in Russian and German courtesy of the U S Army, and I have remembered some appropriate expressions for the malarky that you are pushing here, however since the BA wants decorum, I will restrain myself until the other posters run out of Gaeco-Latin expletives!!!!!

Since your syntax make very little sense, and English is a syntactical language, your use of it makes it very difficult to follow your arguments, except when cutting and pasting from other sources.....

Dale in Ala

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Look at this page and send me your opinion.
Opposite motion of Sun (580m/s) toward (direction from it) Sedna, big shift of focus of Sednas path ...are good enough proof for X existance...

http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/sedna

Browns (Caltech) idea that for these shifts in path of Sedna is responsible marsoidal planet somewhere 70AU from us is not good enough, because that Marsoid should be after it quite close to Sedna, visible with Sedna!!!"

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I went, l looked, and I remain unconvinced resenmut. Same rambling. Have you looked at all your posts? Everything seems to be proof of your Planet X(s). I'm waiting for the Andromeda galaxy to be tied in somehow. I'd get a new hobby if I were you .. like astronomy. :wink:

Sorry, but your evidence doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Taking this one at a time....

The first graphic, the one with the multi-coloured orbits, needs more explanation. What CalTech and JPL calculations are you talking about? How were the red and orange orbits calculated? Why do you say 'assumed real path of Sedna' when no assumptions were made in calculating its actual orbit, other than that the laws of orbital motion work? As it stands now, that map raises more questions than it actually answers.

Your analysis of the 'senmut map' is fatally flawed. There seem to be as many stars that *don't* have lines drawn through them as stars that do. Unless you can explain *why* those stars are unimportant - and whoever carved this thing didn't seem to distinguish between any of them - this evidence is worthless. Similarly, even if the stars are meant to be connected, why should we believe that you have them connected in the right order?

I see no reason to connect the urn-shaped object with the astronomical map next to it. There is no correlation between the two. I should also mention that the Egyptians explicitly identified Orion with Osiris. To the best of my knowledge, Osiris was *never* depicted as a warrior.

There doesn't seem to be any correlation between Baphomet and anything else on the site.

The upside-down urn-shaped object, likewise, doesn't seem to correspond to anything. Moreoever, *why* on Earth would that thing need to be viewed upside-down?

The dragons on Lady Tay's funeral banner are consistent with dragons in ancient Chinese art.

The orbit you propose on the Dendera Zodiac is physically impossible. No orbit can be that asymmetric and remain even remotely stable.

There is zero observational evidence for the existence of an object large enough and close enough to be dragging Sedna - or anything else - away from the Sun. As such, there is no reason to disregard the calculated orbit of Planet X.

Gravity does not cause parallax.

Sedna's orbit is known to be highly elliptical, not 'nearly circular.'

Even with your other calculations in mind, I don't see how 10,500 is even close to 1500, nor how your calculations support either number.

Like we've said before: until you come up with some real evidence, it will be impossible to convince us that you're right.

I don't know, Resenmut.

I'll check out your data against my new 12" by 12" Tasco 'Deep View' Handkerchief -- I got the optional planetary embroidery package (with the new Ecliptic Waft fiber system), so we'll see what a ruggery analysis says.