Solution to mystery of Uranus and Neptune magnetic fields and planet X
From AFP
March 11, 2004URANUS has puzzled scientists ever since the probe Voyager 2 did a flyby in 1986 and found that its magnetic field appeared to break the planetary rulebook.
The evidence from Earth, Jupiter and Saturn determined that a planet's magnetic field should be like that of a bar magnet, with a north and south pole that runs roughly along the sphere's rotational axis.
But Uranus - and Neptune, too, Voyager found - is radically different.
Their magnetic fields are tipped over (the north-to-south line lies midway to the equator or even closer) and there are two north and two south poles, as if the field were produced by two bar magnets.

Why?

Because Planet X which should be somewhere between Neptune and Uranus could easy changed orientations of poles of both planets.

Now, on Earth is bigining such process too!!!
North magnetic pole after some years will be accordind antarctic researches, Pentagon in Russia after some years.

Reason which is placed downward is not high probably correct!!!

The reason for this, according to a new theory published on Thursday in the British journal Nature: The underlying structures of Uranus and Neptune are radically different from what was previously assumed about these cold, distant planets.
Planetary magnetic fields are created like a dynamo: beneath the planet's surface, there is an electrically conductive fluid, which is driven around by an energy source.
In the case of Earth, for instance, the planet's solid inner core is bathed in a molten iron-rich fluid, which is propelled around by the planet's rotation and by convection currents, which transfer heat from the core toward the surface.
And in Jupiter and Saturn, which are "gas giants" rather than rocky planets like Earth, the magnetic field is believed to derive from a thick layer of sub-surface hydrogen, compressed by gigantic pressures into an electric soup of protons and electrons, which revolves around a small solid core.
Where Neptune and Uranus differ, the new study says, is that even though they are gas giants, their interior structure is different from those of Jupiter and Saturn.
It suggests that these two outer planets may have only a thin layer of metallic convecting fluid.
This has a big effect on the magnetic field, limiting it to a thin "shell" just under the gassy hydrogen surface. That phenomenon may also cause the field to be tipped on its side compared to the rotational axis and also inflict the "quadrupole" effect.
The study's co-authors are Jeremy Bloxham and Sabine Stanley of Harvard University, whose computer model of the planets' interior strongly replicates the strange magnetic fields detected by Voyager 2.
Hard evidence to back it will only come from a probe to Uranus or Neptune, they admit.
No such mission is being planned for the moment, but scheduled treks by US and US-European probes to Saturn and Mercury should yield exciting new data to test the theory of how planetary magnetic fields are born, they say.

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senmut

If the unusual magnetic field was found in 1986, long before px would be in the area, how is it the magnetic fields were affected by px?
No, I think you have it all wrong. It's not px that is affecting the planets magnetic fields. Rather it is the uranians and neptunians, both with highly advanced technology, who made the unusual magnetic fields on each of thier planets to keep px away!!!
#-o ops: :P

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Whch parts of that post are your own words, resenmut?

Perhaps the Ancients -- now bear with me, guys -- traveled to Uranus and the other outer planets in antiquity, built *huge* stone microwave telescopes, and changed the magnetic fields of the outer planets just by plugging the 'scopes in!

At least that what it looks like on the rug in my foyer...

Gee! That's exactly the same reading the rug in my lavatory gives!

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Asimov's addition - "Or ignorance."

"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
-- Charles Babbage

That sounds like independent verification to me!

JimTKirk, let's write this up and submit it to the "American Review for Astronomical Data Derived From Tapestries, Rugs, Carpets, and Other Woven Media!"

I'm thinking we're really on to something here. Now, if we can only find a Dark Ages bath-towel depicting the nuclear thrusters used by the construction ships of the ancient Lemurians...

Hmmm... I guess my roman bath towel depicting gravometric thrusters used by the construction ships of the ancient Moovians wouldn't help then...

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Hanlon's Razor - "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Asimov's addition - "Or ignorance."

"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
-- Charles Babbage

resenmut,

your hypotheis is just thrash - there is no planetx.

try better next time.

resenmut,


I can't understand half of what you're talking about. but the half I understand comes across as crack-pottery. (That's an Americanism meaning lunacy, excentricity, paranoia, or delusion)

I have spied upon your posts to GLP and no one there seems to be taking your bait either.


My advice is this: If you want to get some attention, get a better translator.

Rightly or wrongly, English is the language of the internet, and I can't understand what you are talking about most of the time.

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Olsen the moderator.

You probably don't want to. He seems to have discovered Planet Ex while vacuuming his rug.

resenmut, I hate to break this to you (and I'm actually surprised that no one else really has yet), but Sedna can't be where you predicted Planet X to be, nor can it have the orbit you predicted. And the exact same sentences apply replacing "Planet X" with "Nemesis". Why?

Because you never bothered to predict where they were, or their orbits.

Here's some things to think about.

Sedna doesn't enter the solar system as we know it. It never gets anywhere near Pluto, let alone closer than it. It's not what you're looking for.

Sedna's period is some 3 times longer than what you claim Ex's period is.

Sedna is far, far, far, far, far too close to be Nemesis. If a star of any brightness were that close, it would have been noticed long ago.

Nemesis's proposed period is some 250 times larger than Sedna's.

Sedna's motion is not retrograde.

It doesn't have any of the properties you've claimed Planet Ex to have. You weren't thought of in the best of light before, you know, but now, by jumping on this band wagon, you've completely tarnished your reputation. If you had any real interest in your theories, you'd at the very least make them consistant with THEMSELVES!

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"Isn't that just...bread?"

=D> =D> =D> There have been many funny quips on the BABB but these are the best I've seen. Talk about a belly laugh!! Keep up the good work.
Have you ever thought of a career in sci-fi sit com writing?!

PS. You are joking aren't you.....?

Come to think of it I've got a rug which is a two tone symetrical pattern depicting ...well... nothing, except hang on a minute, I must now assume that the weaver of this design has been silenced by the CIA.
I think I'm on to something here. I'm off to carpet world in the morning.

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1.Till now high ranked conservative astronomers (the bigest part of all) supposed, that there not exists bigger body (planet, moon sized) on extreme elliptic path in our solar system, that this is not even possible. On my web page mujweb.cz/spolecnost/bode
I gave arguments that it is possible.

2. Directions of main half axes, inclination of Sedna's orbit's plane is nearly identical with X. Orbital time is within X's and Nemesis's.

3. Compare position of X from Senmut's map and from my oriental carpet with Sedna's. it is the same area of sky you fools, dear anti X's....

4. Orbital time of Sedna is according JPL around 10000 years, but this is only estimation, because JPL don't count orbit of Sedna in case that very heavy X (1/40 of Sun's mass) is here quite close.

5. I think that Sedna could be something like Troyans toward Jupiter. It share the same or nearly the same path with X during one or more orbits...

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I don't know, but I don't suspect this was a huge surprise to any "conservative astronomers". Other large objects have been found in the outer solar system and many objects (comets) are on similar orbits. The team that found this have been looking for such objects, so they can't be too surprised.

#-o
I think you're serious, and I'm not sure if that is sad or funny, but I'd love to go to my boss and tell them I found confirmation of something by looking at my carpet (unless I was confirming the carpet needed cleaning).

Resenmut, one question that I have for you and all the other doom-sayers. Let's say you are absolutely right and the brown dwarf or whatever is going to wipe us all out. There is nothing we can do about it. So what would you like the world to do? Big party? Get religion? My best course of action for my life is to assume it's going to keep going and act accordingly.

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One Earth, One Sky - IYA 2009
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Names please. Which astronomers said there couldn't be larger bodies in the Solar System.

How can you say Sedna's orbit is nearly identical to PX when you haven't established the orbit, let alone, the existence of PX?

This is rich! Your doing astronomy from a carpet and you call us fools?!!?

I've said before, we are not anti-X we are pro-evidence. Show us some verifiable evidence and we will believe you.

PX isn't real. An object 1/40 the mass of the Sun banging around the Solar System would be noticeable.

The orbit of Sedna never comes anywhere close to the inner Solar System. You claim that PX does. Therefore, they can't be in the same orbit.

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Resenmut writes:

"3. Compare position of X from Senmut's map and from my oriental carpet with Sedna's. it is the same area of sky you fools, dear anti X's.... "

That's all well and good, Resenmut, but until you can confirm that your oriental carpet has been properly waft-aligned and collimated, I can't take this data seriously.

As you know, Oriental carpets woven between AD 900 and AD 1915 cannot be considered accurate to more than 1 arcminute/m^^2 unless the weave has received a thorough and proper linear collimation.

This process is daunting to most amateur rug-watchers. Indeed, a poorly-collimated rug is the single most cited reason many astronomers turn to telescopes or other clumsy optical devices; with proper attention to detail, however, even an inexperienced rugger can achieve stunning results with a properly collimated rug.

Begin by cleaning your instrument thoroughly. If the instrument has seen heavy use, for instance in the foyer of a busy Chinese all-you-can-eat lunch buffet establishment, you'll probably need to beg, borrow, or steal an Orion Deep Sky Rugwasher 2000 (get the wide apeture model; it's worth the extra $100 USD).

Use the Deep Sky as directed, taking care to remove ALL signs of foot traffic. Remember, Pluto went undiscovered for nearly forty years because of a single faint boot-print on Tombaugh's big twenty-foot dining room 'Flying Dragons' oriental!

Once the fibers have been thoroughly cleaned -- ON BOTH SIDES -- you're ready to begin the collimation in earnest.

You cannot, of course, collimate without a collimation tool. Professional waft-alignment tools can run into the thousands of dollars; luckily for amateurs, both Orion and Dirt Devil offer more modestly priced lines of effective waft-alignment tool sets that start as low as $75 USD.

A word here -- the Orion tools are more expensive, but in my opinion are worth the money. The Dirt Devil line will still provide good results, though, and all do double-duty as household vacuum cleaners, so that might be a good choice for a tight budget.

Begin at the center of your instrument, and work outward, in concentric 10 cm circles. Using the waft-alignment tool, brush each fiber and weave out and away from the rug's center (which you may want to mark with a stick-on circle; adhesive reinforcement rings made for three-hole-bound notebook paper works well in this instance).

Work slowly and carefully, and check your progress often. Re-waft any areas that do NOT lie in perfect alignment between the base of the fiber and the center of the rug. Check your work frequently with a sextant, a welder's mask, and a #3 sewing needle.

Keep working, until at last you reach the outer perimeter of your instrument. It is here that most inexperienced collimators fail -- but the quality of the images derived from your rugging will ultimately be determined by the degree of refraction returns originating from the outer 10% of the instrument.

So take your time.

Once you're done, allow the instrument to reach room temperature, gather your books by Sitchin, Velikovksy, and Von Daineken, and explore the secrets of the skies!

Skyeyeguy! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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Hanlon's Razor - "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Asimov's addition - "Or ignorance."

"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
-- Charles Babbage

I didn't realize astronomy was so militant. I guess I'd better start practicing my "Yes sir!"s and "No, sir!"s before grad school. I don't want my superior officers to think poorly of me.

Ok, so which is it? Within Nemesis's 20+ million year orbit, or within Ex's 3000+ year orbit? They're different by several orders of magnitude.

If you could give me the name of the department store you purchased it at...

Google "Kepler's third law" and discover for yourself that orbital periods are independant of planetary mass! Whee!

So, which do you think were discovered first? The Trojan asteroids, or Jupiter?

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"Isn't that just...bread?"

You forgot the first rule of purchasing astronomical equipment - never buy from a department store

You need to find a specialised store, preferably one with several brands so you can compare the carpets, and choose the one that suits your purposes. While the Pakistani rugs are good for finding comets and asteroids, you need a big Persian one if you want to study nebulae and galaxies...

:wink:

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SpyEyeGuy...your last post was amazingly funny...thanks!

wildly imaginative theories are not welcomed warmly over here - there are other sites that would provide a much more receptive audience.

unless your theory is based on fact and original thought...
then by all means, this is the place to test your mettle

Oh, that explains why the CMB looks grainy in my WoolCo original bedroom carpeting. The resolution isn't high enough. I can barely make out any of the fluctuations at all, once I correct for the giant stain that represents the proper motion of the Earth.

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"I'm making wheatloaf. It's like meatloaf, only with wheat"
"Isn't that just...bread?"

http://www.newmillenniumcarpets.com/...ttie-black.jpg
http://www.hometheaterdecor.com/htd/...=9&prod=33
I did some googling and found some data. Yep, that proves it to me.

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One Earth, One Sky - IYA 2009
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http://www.lelandswallpaper.com/sw.htm

I realized that this study was too narrow. There are some vast untapped resources out there...

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"I'm making wheatloaf. It's like meatloaf, only with wheat"
"Isn't that just...bread?"

I want to know Phil's rank.

Is he an officer or an NCO?

We need to know if he is high-ranking enough for these shenanigans.

Trujillo has begun to examine the object's surface with one of the world's largest optical/infrared telescopes, the 8-meter (26-foot) Frederick C. Gillett Gemini Telescope on Mauna Kea, Hawaii. He said, "We still don't understand what is on the surface of this body. It is nothing like what we would have predicted or what we can currently explain.

What for so unusual surface is it??!!

Is not it dark matter??!!

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We don't know yet. That's the point. It could be rock, it could be some kind of ice, it could be some optical effect in the telescope (have they taken a spectrum of this thing yet?). It will be some time before we figure that out.

Not a chance. Sedna is way too small to account for dark matter without there being hundreds of trillions of them. Moreover, most of them would have to be in the Milky Way's arms and almost none in the nucleus for it to be dark matter. Where planetoid formation is a commom after-effect of star formation, it seems highly unlikely that the galaxy would have that kind of distribution of Sedna-like objects.

Resenmut,

You posted:

"Trujillo has begun to examine the object's surface with one of the world's largest optical/infrared telescopes, the 8-meter (26-foot) Frederick C. Gillett Gemini Telescope on Mauna Kea, Hawaii. He said, "We still don't understand what is on the surface of this body. It is nothing like what we would have predicted or what we can currently explain."

Again, these are NOT your words. And again, you simply pasted them without attribution. I found the text at:

http://www.nasa.gov/lb/home/hqnews/2...iscovered.html

Cutting and pasting without properly acknowledgement to the source is, as I stated before, not the right thing to do.

Oh, and and far as the 'dark matter' bit -- no.

I'm beginning to feel a tug at my legs, if you know what I mean.

Please state the correlation between the perceived surface of Sedna, your theory that it's dark matter, and the existence of Planet X.

Not that there is any correlation, mind you, I just wanna see what examples of astronomical coprolite you're going to come up with this time...

SHOW US PLANET X!

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