I'm new to these forums so please don't be too harsh on me .

I'm not exactly a UFOlogist, nor a 'woo-woo', whatever that may be...

Infact, I rarely believe things about UFOs or aliens, but when I saw the Mexican airforce video I decided to search the internet for some other footage.

While I know not to trust everything I find online I have found these videos in multiple places and they all claim to be from Nasa astronauts or pilots...

Anyway, I found this forum and most seems reasonable here (I mean, atleast no one is claiming to be a reincarnated martian from the "Cyndonian settlement" on mars).

Anyway these are the videos in question:

http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/

Click on the pictures under the Shuttle and Nasa Mission area.

There are other clips as well, but that site happened to have most of the ones in question.

Anyway, I'm sure you all have an obvious explaination to these... but *I* don't know what to make of them.

Hi there and welcome!

Those are some interesting clips, though most here will write them off as "out of focus" and "to unclear to determine". If you're interested in UFO video's or audio you should try:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestufovideos1.html

They have some nice clips, though the quality sometimes is lacking. Also this other site for more on NASA Ufo's:
http://yorkshireufoinfo.homestead.co...onfootage.html
Remember there's nothing wrong with being a woo-woo as long as aliens exist. :P

The apollo 16 one is explained in a NASA page:

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/space/tra...ce/no_ufo.html

is just a picture of the Floodlight Boom of the CM.

Well... I was more skeptical of that particular video than the others.

However, the other videos are like...

The main ones I can't figure out are the "Tether UFO" and that one that shows objects clearly moving... but NOT in straight line. The most interesting part to me about that tether footage it that it doesn't just appear as a big swarm of strange objects. Clearly there are a few large objects that move about -- on their own perhaps -- while other objects streak by the assumed UFOs... as if they are 'aimed'. Whatever you make of those videos it definitely appears to be more than just dust, frost or lens flare... or a meteor shower for that matter. But I'm definitely not an expert on this kind of thing, which is why I am asking for an explaination here.

Also, in all of the high quality stills from these supposed UFO encounters during Nasa's mission, the object has a dark area toward the center... which makes it appear more like a real object and not some elusion. Another photo which I've only seen on one website shows much more detail... and is claiming to be from other Nasa missions.

Anyway, I am still perplexed about those other ones :-o.

Thanks for the clarification on the Apollo 16 mission though. Although I wasn't as amazed by that particular footage I still couldn't discount it until you gave a link with a very logical explanation.

BTW, I'm not a "woo-woo" if I except evidence *against* UFOs.... but at the same time can't deny that there probably is more to the UFO phenomonon than hoaxes and mass histeria?

James Oberg, former NASA flight controller, discusses some of this stuff at
http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html

Harald

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I clicked on the link he gave for the "STS-75 Non-Smoking Non-Gun".

Interesting... I will have to see those clips again though. The only thing that really made sense to me was about the objects notches being in a certain direction in relation to the FOV and how people would have definitely have saw it from the ground.

However... after I went to the "rense" homepage it lost some credibility for me... :x

I'm still not understanding how these objects could appear to move so independently... The fact that the tether and "the objects" appear much larger than they truely are doesn't discredit it for me... infact, if the notched circles would truely have been seen from earth, having been 2 miles across than doesn't that explanation make the lack of ground sightings MORE plausable? And the UFO theory make more sense?

Anyway, like I said I am just looking for what seems to be a logical answer for these videos...

But I can't see how that link given discredits all of the strange things in the nasa videos and photos... But maybe I will just have to let more intellegent people decide for me, but I just can't help but think that some of those explanations are a bit like the "swamp gas refracting off of venus" response.

BTW, thank you planetside for those links... I shall check them out later.

Yep, your welcome. :P

When it comes to providing WOO-WOO links, I'm the person to talk too.

There's never been a confirmed "alien-vehicle" from any of these photo's or video's. So, some of the people (debunkers) here will not concede anything other than just that. I'm trying to let you know now what to expect. In their mind untill the "scientific field" agree's that it's alien (will never happen from an image or video) they will debunk and argue that everysingle image you provide is "Not alien". From their standpoint, I'm not sure that it can be. Although I did hear a scientist state that for a UFO to be alien it has to be 1). Completely unexplainable, and then 2). Seen by a large number of people. I actually think this sounds too simple, but sounds reasonable enough.

I'm not a scientist or a debunker. I'm more of a skeptical true believer. Post any interesting UFO video's you find, I will enjoy taking a look at them!! =D>

Actually I think brithlor is capable of reading through the various threads and making up his own mind as to why most of us are skeptical regarding aliens zipping around Planetside. Maybe he'll even appreciate the irony of you alleging NASA cover-ups on the one hand and using their footage on the other. :wink:

brithlor, if you are interested in UFOs I encourage you to read the threads and use the search tool for past discussions we've had on this subject, including many of the ones in NEO. You'll find most of us require irrefutable proof before we embrace UFOs as alien machines although there are some here that make eloquent arguments for the possibilities.

Obviously, saying that a blip of light in a fuzzy thirty second video clip is an alien spaceship from across the galaxy is an extreme hypothesis. Is it really that strange that we would want more solid evidence before agreeing?

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Actually that doesn't sound very reasonable at all. [-(

This is going to sound rehashed but history has shown that the number of people who witness a UFO event lends no credence to its credibility as an alien sighting. Nor does the quality or quantity of photos and video. Some of the videos we have are pretty good, and some of the sightings have been witnessed by hundreds, even thousands, of people at a time. Yet this 'evidence' never stands on its own. It's too easily refuted. Witness testimony and photographs work well as supporting evidnce but for proof you need hard core physical evidence.

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Archer, Did you not say that the government lied about Roswell, to coverup a top secret technology they had? Yet you still use their footage and evidence. Talk about Irony! =D> Nice try guy, please go back to arguing with someone who takes you seriously. You're goal is to win arguments, not find the truth.

Birthlor if you translate the stuff he wrote above, what he's saying is:
He knows you can't provide irrefutable proof on UFO'S as alien machines on the internet.

He's setting the bar to an unreachable height. So just post the evidence you see, just don't expect to hear them utter the words, "It's alien". It will never happen.

Nice coming from someone that put words in my mouth and threw a hissy fit in another thread. What footage? I just presented the facts necessary to show that the Roswell incident was Project Mogul.Unlike you Planetside, I don't presume to know what goes on in that head of yours. If "irrefutable proof" is such an "unreachable height" for your beliefs, maybe you're reaching too far. I believe in the scientific method, not wishful thinking. Going to show us any more videos of UFOs from the same agency you claim is involved in covering them up Planetside? You contradict your own spiel.

Edited to add a line.

I appreciate all the replies I have gotten... However I would much prefer people refute or acknowledge the footage shown in the links I have provided.

Please argue about whether Planetside contradicted himself in the thread that he apparently did so in... I haven't read it so I can't pass judgement one way or the other.

Although you can't prove there are UFOs you also can't deny that there are not. However... you also can't deny that the earth is a ball with a stick through it, riding on the back of a toortis.

As I said before... I really never searched for evidence for or against UFOs until I saw that Mexican footage. After that I found video clips from apparently reliable sources, and they definitely show things that *I* cannot call hoaxes, and do not appear to be lense flare, but act on their own.

Once again, I would very much appreciate more comments about the actual video... and if you can give a good explanation of the "craft" seen in them I would very much appreciate it. I'm not looking for a "yes, these are aliens", or "no, there are no UFOs" answer... but something reasonably logical, with proof.

Have you did a UFO search here brithlor? There's been many threads addressing the Gemini/Apollo/Shuttle UFOs here.

I actually didn't think of doing that :-P.

I'll check it out in a sec though .

If they're not covered, let me know .. I'll do some digging and get back to you.

Thanks , I really appreciate that... right now I'm checking out the "Woo-Woo" links provided by Planetside.

Ok... so I did a search on "UFO"... after wading through lots of posts I found one thread about the Nasa mission someone already discounted in this thread :-P.

Anyway, if anyone has an answer to some of the other pieces of NASA ufo film that would be most helpful.

Thanks a lot.

I'll try. I never really saw too many NASA clips that reached out and grapped me (besides the "space battle" one) Is there any particular ones you have in mind?

Keep in mind there is no way for me to prove that my answers are correct but I offer my observations as alternative ways to think of the objects in these videos. I'm not going to do the NASA videos becuase 90% of them are debris, ball bearings, tools, flecks of paint and what not. That's boring! I am much more interested in debunking the more confounding Earth-bound images.

All of the videos are from this page: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestufovideos1.html

Video #1: http://www.ufocasebook.com/mexforwebcomplete.ram
The video is from an infrared camera. The camera is looking at objects flying in formation with an enormous heat signature. The heat appears to be masking out the bodies of the objects. The objects appear to make no sudden movements or unearthly manuvers. The claiment insisted that at least some of the objects did not appear on radar, but others did. There is at least one man-made situation that I know of which fits all of the observed criteria. A stealth jet being escorted.

Video #2: http://www.ufocasebook.com/afyon2.ram
For one moment the light appears to be made out of two spheres which leads me to believe that it's a commercial jet with its landing lights on. Landing lights are extraordinarily bright! If they are pointed straight at you it can be quite starteling.

Video #3: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bambi3.ram
The lamp post (which I assume that big orange thing is) offers a poor frame of reference for the purple light. Is the purple light right next to the lamp post or off in the distance somewhere? The apature on the camera makes the dot morph as she zooms in and out. The saturated colors appear to be manipulated and may not be realistic. I'd say the light is a bright start (Venus), an aircraft, or a reflective bit of something hanging off the lamp post. Difficult to say.

Video #4: http://www.ufocasebook.com/UFO_Unknown.mpeg
This is a big fat fake! The clip is split in two. The first half shows an object 'materializing' over the city. But it's just an aircraft flying into city air space and turning its landing lights on. The video is sped up as evidenced by the car lights zipping by in the lower right hand corner of the central building. The second half shows an object accelerating in level flight. I expect it is nothing more than a light aircraft. The speed of the video was probably manipulated to give the effect of acceleation.

Video #5: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestcleveland.mpeg
The three white streaks appear to line up. Are they three objects or the effects of one object? One extraodinary possibility is that it was a meteor litterally skipping off the atmosphere like a stone on water. It's one of the most unexplainable videos I've seen in a long while. I wish we could learn what happened to the streaks.

Video #6: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestcropcircle.jpg
The video is split into two halves. The first half shows an object lying in the field. Then the frame quickly zooms in on the object. They say the object gets brighter then takes off. It does not! The object does nothing but lay there. Then the second half of the clip shows a small object floating somewhere out in the distance but looks almost as if it's just blowing in the breeze. I think the object is just a shiny piece of foil or other debris. The night-scope camera and tricky editing obscures the reality behind the object.

Video #7: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestgravesend.mpg
Download the video then use the slider to scrub back and forth. The object is distorting as it moves very very slowly. It is a freakish compact condensation of water vapor. In other words.. it's a Cloud!

Video #8: http://www.ufocasebook.com/Video/guardian2.ram
This one's pretty famous. I remember seeing this one on television a number of times. I believe the explaination was military helecopters. In fact if I recall correctly a military chopper pilot testified to that fact.

Video #9: http://www.ufocasebook.com/guardian2.ram
There is no frame of reference in this video so I will simply dismiss it. Lights could be anything. If it's not a fake, it's as good as one.

Video #10: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestgulfbreeze.mpg
Now here's a fascinating case study of mistaken identity. The object is actually a light aircraft making a precise yaw turn. If you look closely you can see the landing gear underneath as it turns to the right. The video is sped up to make the aircraft appear as though it is moving quickly and making unearthly manuvers.

Video #11: Something wrong's with the clip.

Video #12: http://www.ufocasebook.com/japanB.mpeg
Again the clip is split in two. The first half shows a panormaic view with a pink light flying toward the left of the camera. The second half shows a blown up view of the same thing. The camera appears hand held which gives a sense that the video wasn't sped up. Well it's an interesting color but I see no reason why it couldn't be a fast moving jet.

Video #13: http://www.ufocasebook.com/Video/kentcontrail.ram
Do you see the camera zoom just as he's panning away from the contrail? Consumer video cameras are known to do funning things when you zoom into a point of light. The light (Venus or a bright star perhaps?) was probably just barely perceptable to the naked eye against the bright sky. So it "dissapeared" after he stopped looking through the lens. I'd say any movment he percieved was an illusion.

Video #14: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestlondon.mpeg
A Baloon.

Video #15: http://www.ufocasebook.com/Lowestoft-UFO.mpeg
You have to look closely but just prior to where the clip fades into another shot, the camera makes the uncanny 'mistake' of tracking perfectly the path of the UFO almost in anticipation of its erratic flight. This is a clever fake.

Video #16: http://www.ufocasebook.com/oliverscastle.ram
This is another well known fake. The video has actually gone through several incarnations. As I recall reading the original did not show the formation of circles at all, but rather a complete crop cirlce with glowing spheres. The ballys only appeared to 'create' the circles in a later version. But we'll just worry ourselves with this version. The video is obviously that of humans building the crop circles. The video is vastly sped up to obscure the people. Then the luminous balls and camera shake were added later for effect.

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Pardon my horrible spelling and grammar in this post. It's late and this is a big post so I'm not going to bother to fix them.

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