Some simple questions that can clear some things up. :P

1. What would it take to prove aliens exist through the use of images, video and eye witness testimony? 8)

2. How do you provide irrefutable proof of Alien vehicles. In other words, what would be the irrefutable proof? What are you looking for? :wink:

If I know what the criteria is, then I will know what strong evidence is and is not. :wink:

Hey, I found this image below.. It looks real, though I completely admit it could be fake. Good job of a fake, or an incredible image either way. :-)

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a/ UFO has to be seen by large numbers of credible observers/eye witness testimony.

Unfortunately no matter how credible the observers/eye witness are I would not count their testimony as fact or evidence.

Humans have a tendancy to make stories and the longer it is between the event and the telling/writing the better the story gets. The brain will "fill in" things. Thats just the way a human mind works.

b/ images, video

Both can and have been faked before and, no doubt, will be again.

a/ an actual alien vehicle.
b/ an actual alien.

Both touchable, testable, etc

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Thanks a lot Quantum! I was kind of thinking the same thing. =D>

They are exactly that. (The latter, not the former.)

*Edited for clarity.

I wouldn't trust videos too much, they are simply too easily faked to be counted as credible evidence for such lofty claims as aliens. As for witness testimony, if they brought back some kind of artifact, (like an alien spoon made out of some alloy we don't know how to produce, that kind of thing) then I would give their story more credence.

I would post more, but I'm running out the door. I'll post more later and I look forward to your reply. I would like to know, what you consider credible evidence for aliens.

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Appearance to large numbers of people. Landing on the Mall at Washington, DC or in Tienamen Square would be a nice start. They could come down through the atmosphere in such a way that EVERY country could see them.

See above.

None of this "appears to only one person." I am on a UFO/conspiracy board, and we have seen a lot of ways that people fake pictures or take clips from films (S/FX) and try to pass them off as real.

If there are aliens, they can easily land their craft in front of an observatory. No harrassment, no freakout weaponry, instant credibility.

Well, if you know anything about anatomy and physiology, it's an obvious fake. Rigor mortis never sets in when someone's standing up... and that would have to be the case if that was a real body (this is true whether it's a human or animal.) It's some sort of prop.

if they're 'out there', they just should stop mucking around and show themselves.

all this nonsense about not wanting to be observed in order not to create a panic, bloody cropcircles that are signposts (yeah, right! very high tech and unobtrusive), and the excuses about 'wanting to observe undisturbed' and 'interstellar competition between the Greys and Nordics' and whatnot is all a tad bit too convenient to explain why they are never seen... [-(

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Indeed. There are bits on Skeptic, CSICOP, and IIG demonstrating the simplicity of manufacturing such pictures.

Bingo! :wink:

Please do not post images from other websites here. It's called bandwidth stealing, and is expressly forbidden in the FAQ.

My $0.02 on this subject. The reason they do not reveal themselves is because of the 6 o'clock news. How many wars are going on right now? How much crime occurs on a daily basis? If they were to land in the Rose Garden and say "take me to your leader", the first thing mankind would like to know is what kind of fuel did you use to get here? the second thing would be "how can we make it explode, and how many people would be killed if it did? The way I see it, they will not make contact and try to help us out, because we would us their technology to blow each other to kingdom come. Maybe someday, we will figure out a way to keep from killing each other, but until then, they will continue to observe, and no doubt shake their heads in disbelief. [-X

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Of course, if you owned a ranch and had spent the last couple of decades kidnapping the neighbor's farmhands and performing intrusive medical probes upon them and dissecting the neighbor's livestock, would you go over there and say "Howdy!" and introduce yourself?
[-(

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If they have such an advanced tech as interstellar travel, then if they don't want to be seen, they will not be seen, and if they want contact, it will be pretty obvious - like the aforementioned landing on Times Square.

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I think, for me, you would need physical proof: a space ship, an artifact not possible with Earth technology, actually alien (alive or body) shown to the public and examined by qualified people (doctors, etc.). Some light show in the sky, even if witnessed by millions, would not prove anything.

I suppose aliens might travel many light-years to Earth and try to hide except for the occassional cattle mutilation or probing, but it doesn't make much sense. I guess you could argue that we don't understand these alien ways, but that's very weak. How many probings do alien grad students need to finish their disertations ? At some point I think they'd move to stage II and go away or show themselves.

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Remember the 'Kids in the Hall' episode with the probing aliens....

Alien1: Do you ever wonder...why we do what we do?
Alien2: I'm not sure what you mean.
Alien1: Well, we fly millions of lightyears across the universe, abduct unimportant Earthlings, probe them anally, and let them go. And all we've learned from fifty years of this is that 1 in 10 of them doesnt seem to mind too much.

Alien2: ....yes? AND??

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Here a theory enjoy! Disclaimer for entertaining use.

Aliens, Who they are?,What they want?

THE COVERT RETURN OF AN ALIEN SPECIES OF REPTILIAN HERITAGE
http://www.think-aboutit.com/dulce/O-LEVESQ.html


http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r100799c.html

ARRIBA 8)

does that url say reptilian agenda? :roll:

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That`s what they said.

no! no! mercy! please! i can't stand it!

these people should write Fantasy books... oh, wait... they do! :roll:

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Entertaining is`n it?

I finish with that one.

More fun.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/dulce/Y93FINIS.html

So I gather from all of this that the government would have to find, retrieve and display an Alien and that aliens vehicle to prove it? Correct?

wow... this article must be at least 25 years old... 8)

of course, our 'frequency', now it all makes sense... #-o

wow...

just when i thought it couldn't get sillier.

awww....

man, i can almost hear the IQ points dropping when i read this drivel.

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Which of course is a false information given to some abducties by the little greys aliens. #-o

Edit wording.

More revelations and operational structure of the l Greys Aliens.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/dulce/Y8VALERI.html

Scroll down to:
GRAY STRATEGIES AND OPERATIONS:

Just the fact that they make up 'stradegies and operations' for creatures they've never even seen should tell you just how much of this is made-up fantasy.

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does this mean we're all living in a cosmic petri dish?

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Description of Events
Laser shot directed at a UFO in space?

http://us.share.geocities.com/hyperdigm/sts48.mpeg

On September 15, 1991, between 20:30 and 20:45 Greenwich Mean Time, the TV camera located at the back of Space Shuttle Discovery's cargo bay was trained on the Earth's horizon while the astronauts were occupied with other tasks. A glowing object suddenly appeared just below the horizon and "slowly" moved from right to left and slightly upward in the picture. Several other glowing objects had been visible before this, and had been moving in various directions. Then a flash of light occurred at what seemed to be the lower left of the screen; and the main object, along with the others, changed direction and accelerated away sharply, as if in response to the flash. Shortly thereafter a streak of light moved through the region vacated by the main object, and then another streak moved through the right of the screen, where two of the other objects had been. Roughly 65 seconds after the main flash, the TV camera rotated down, showing a fuzzy picture of the side of the cargo bay. It then refocused, turned toward the front of the cargo bay, and stopped broadcasting.

http://us.share.geocities.com/hyperdigm/sts48.mpeg


The scenario was probably captured on video purely by chance. Along with other UFO incidents recorded on video by NASA, this material has contributed significantly towards NASA's recent decision to discontinue live television transmissions from space.

Alien interrogation.
http://www.geocities.com/kryst0ph/area51.ram

Edited to Add
Ufo during the Space Shuttle theter experiment.
http://www.geocities.com/hyperdigm/sts75.html

This "space battle" video has been explained awhile ago Aldrin. I talk about it in the bottom half of this post and Wolverine touches on it in this thread.

Bad link, worse case of woowoo hokum.This has also been addressed in another UFO thread.