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Old 21-June-2004, 02:37 AM
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The only strong argument I have netted while peddling the non-time dilated supernova interpretations discussed on these BB pages is: "There is no viable cosmology outside of the Big Bang."

There is a plausible, workable, and most importantly testable cosmology outside the failing constraints of the modified Einstein-deSitter Big Bang theory. This cosmology is conceivable without the jerky dark energy or the undetectable dark matter proposed to align the current prevailing cosmology with observations. It also eliminates the Copernican rings of quasars, active galaxies, and passive evolution that paint the current
epic as unique. It explains MOND behavior and Tully-Fisher phenomenon. The supportive framework for this theory, with far fewer exceptions than the current revision of the Big Bang, falls within known locally observable physical laws.

Why is an Alternative Cosmology Needed?

The Big Bang universe originally proposed was based on four critical observations:

a) An observed Doppler shift.
b) Light element abundance.
c) The cosmic microwave background (CMB).
d) Agreement between particle physics and the CMB.

In the development of this theory many collaborating evidences have been substantiated. The most obvious of these is the observed and quantified evolution of galaxies, galactic clusters, time dilation observed in distant supernova, and evolutionary peaks in observed concentrations of quasars and galaxies with active nuclei.

The soundness of the basic BB structure is rarely questioned in serious astrophysical circles, but a number of observations have severely strained constraints placed upon the Big Bang by Einstein deSitter postulates. Specifically: The universe is too big and too old, there is too much galactic super-cluster structure to allow coupling of the microwave background of a Big Bang explosion to the current epic without also introducing “dark energy”. There are heavy elements found in the most distant objects observed at near solar levels.

Using just the criteria upon which the Big Bang was originally proposed, this is a failed cosmology. However, the success of the big bang in modeling galactic and other evolutionary trends mitigates these failures. Or does it? If the fundamental postulates are wrong, is there a non-expanding model of the universe that agrees with critical observational evidence, and if so, can the entire phenomenon ascribed to the Big Bang be addressed in this alternative model? Can this be done within known constraints?

These are important questions because there are also disturbing indices in the galactic evolutionary trends. The quasar population appears to peak in a fairly local Copernican ring. The kinetic energies of ‘red’ to ‘blue’ galaxies found in galactic clusters appear to have been quite stable in the ‘early’ periods leading up to the current epoch, and then appear to have abruptly shifted. There is variation observed in the cosmic acceleration proposed to prevent ZKG effects from overwhelming the integrated Sachs Wolfe effects eons before the abrupt change in the galactic distribution pattern. These quirky observations scream that there is something wrong with more than one primary parameter.

Static Steady State Cosmology Revisited on the Basis of New Cosmic Evidence:

I postulate there are at least four fundamental concepts inherent in Big Bang cosmology, which prevent a proper reading of the cosmos: The distance modulus is wrong, underestimating cosmic attenuation. There is intrinsic redshifts in extremely bright objects, such as quasars and active galactic nuclei. There is a cosmic non-Doppler redshift functionality that shifts, attenuates and homogenizes light from very distance sources while preserving the spectral lines, and there are sources of primal matter throughout the universe.

Why doesn’t this type of model grow out of existing astrophysical programs?

These cosmological changes require a difficult line of reasoning, extrapolating the combined effects four deviations from the standard model. These distortions lead to the conclusions that galaxy, quasar, and star populations are aging in support of a dying universe. Every one of these effects can be traced to two or more misconceptions about the properties of interstellar electromagnetic radiation transfer functions.

A makeover of cosmology requires fundamental changes in the interpretation of current observations. Here, I will outline these changes and provide single threads of evidence.

It is imperative for the reader to at least tentatively accept these postulates in order to form a testable hypothesis.

a) Very brilliant objects are intrinsically redshifted in a manner that displaces them in the current interpretation of cosmology. Specifically, quasars, galaxies with active galactic nuclei, and virtually all E class (blue elliptical) galaxies contain intrinsic redshifts that are proportional to temperature, ionization of the extended photosphere, radio loudness and proximity to other brilliant objects.

Halpen Arp and others have produced study after study supporting this thesis, but the best evidence is in the apparent proper motion of quasars obvious in a NASA funded full sky statistical radio survey demonstrating apparent proper motion of quasars. This proposal will demonstrate how careful statistical analysis of galactic clustering will either strongly support, or nullify this hypothesis.

b) Most cosmic redshift is neither relativistic nor Doppler. If QSOs are intrinsically redshifted, the distance to these objects is drastically overstated and since the photo-path to these objects is used to calculate the density of the interstellar medium, this gas density is much greater than current calculations and through parametric effects capable of causing much of the cosmic redshift.

Statistical studies clearly show the rise time and light curve widths of supernova Ia decrease with increasing distance if relativistic calculations are used to introduce time dilation. There are no known physical mechanisms for this bodacious interpretation of observations.

There is a possibility supernova researchers are unable to discriminate the hypernovae class of distant objects from very distant supernovae Ia. If this is true, rather than a jerk occurring in the cosmic acceleration parameter, a locally observed bimodal distribution is being identified as a single class of objects in deep space, severely biasing the interpretation. In other words: What are observed and classified as time dilated supernova Ia may in fact be distant hypernova, which are not time dilated. If this supposition is not true, where are the distant hypernova?

c) The distance modulus, currently thought to be a relativistic function, is actually an exponential attenuation that is primarily caused by the increasing temperature in the space approaching brilliant features, such as our own galaxy. This function is obvious in the Compton scattering of light passing close to our sun, but the tensors of polarization and Chandrasekhar’s rules regarding radiation transfer dictate that whenever a beam of electromagnetic radiation encounters a molecular hindrance, a transfer of energy will occur that is proportional to the Planck temperature of the molecule.

Tolman surface brightness, Tully-Fisher, and Cepheid distance estimates do not track the current distance modulus unless passive evolution is invoked that is directly proportional to redshift time and distance. The attenuation of distant supernova do not track the expected relativistic curve. A logarithmic attenuation provides a better match with observations. A radiation transfer function predicts this magnitude function.

d) There is a regenerative process in the cosmos that is an apparent violation of the second law of thermodynamics. This is the only portion of this proposal that requires new physics and it is not the purpose of this essay to develop this concept. However, for the balance of this theory to remain viable, these violations must exist throughout space and time.

This assertion is justified by the observed broad distribution of both heavy and light metal concentration throughout the known universe. Light element abundance was once one of the keystone arguments of the Big Bang, but the Big Bang theory requires heavy element ratios to increase with evolved distance and time from the primal Big Bang event. The observed detection of solar and even higher levels of heavy element abundance in the most cosmically distant and therefore earliest epics is a nullifying failure of the Big Bang predictions.

Since there are also areas of the local universe that are heavy element poor, it is just as valid to argue point violations occur to the laws of thermodynamics as the Big Bang postulate of a single, inexplicable event. It is just as correct to state that the very existence of the universe violates the second law.

The application of these postulates allows a new cosmology to emerge that is very similar to the steady state models proposed by Zwicky, Hoyle, Mach Daric and others. It is the observations of the current generation of great telescopes that drives this reevaluation.

Specifically, these observations reveal new structure unpredicted by Big Bang cosmology.

If current interpretations are allowed to stand, we are seeing super-Machian jets of matter at relativistic speeds. We see stars with energies that exceed the Eddington limit. There are observed motions that require dark matter to assume many forms, and dark energy to explain the lack of secondary structural peaks in the cosmic microwave background.

By assigning what is currently interpreted as recessional velocity to intrinsic and cosmic redshifting and attenuation, many of the inconsistencies and instabilities of the current cosmology disappear. These include:

1) Copernican rings in the population count of quasar, AGN, and blue galaxies. Assigning intrinsic redshifts to these structures eliminates the periodicity by removing the apparent over population in the recent past.

2) Like the rings mentioned above, there are also periodic fluctuations in quasar intensities. By assuming redshifting is caused by parametric changes induced by molecular hydrogen, these observed harmonic effects can be interpreted as resonant overlaps in molecular hydrogen peak absorptions.

3) Dark Matter in the fringes of galaxies: If Huygens functions are assigned to galactic rotation, the anomalous rotational velocities in the fringes of galaxies are reinterpreted as artifacts of the inner velocity wave functions permeating into the fringes of the galaxy. To conceptualize this, imagine a flotilla of motorboats circling a very small island, with the inner boats traveling faster than the outer boats. If the
wave function of the water is analyzed to predict the speed of the boats, the speed of the outer boats will be over estimated.

4)Dark Matter in galactic cluster in-fall. This unique dark matter feature, which is at odds with Tully Fisher and MOND tests of surface brightness, disappears when blue galaxies are assigned intrinsic redshifts, placing these blue galaxies in the .red cluster voids. This prediction is extremely interesting because it can be verified with an appropriate statistical analysis of the Sloan digital survey.

5) A jerk in the acceleration of the universe. This most curious interpretation of Supernova Ia light curves is better represented by a non time-diluted assignment to the light curves of hypernova at high redshift. This strange cosmic jerk is then interpreted as a bimodal distribution of Supernovae Ia and Hypernovae, which is consistent with local observations.

There are many ways to tests these concepts. One test that has unwittingly already been conducted is the meticulous Doppler measurements of the Pioneer ten and eleven accelerations. In both of these probes, an inexplicable constant accelerating blue shift towards the sun is observed. If a radiation transfer mechanism is responsible for cosmic redshifting, this blue shifting of a low energy signal is consistent with this cosmic factor.

Other confirming evidences could be honed from the Sloan Digital Survey. These include:

a) A statistical analysis of the proper motion of quasars relative to the proper motion of galactic stars should determine an approximate percentage of QSO, which occur within our own galaxy.

b) A statistical reduction of the proximal location of blue galaxies relative to local clusters dominated by red galaxies and .dark matter should reveal whether time and space displacement and therefore intrinsic redshifting of blue galaxies offers a better solution than .dark matter to local cluster mass deficiencies.

c) In a correlating study, the population of nearby slightly redshifted blue galaxies should actually be very local, and therefore be extremely large relative to their redshifted distance, and contain in the edges giant red stars that also have high proper motion relative to the galaxy as a whole.

d) A statistical classification of quasar point sources that are not identifiable as native to obvious galactic cores should find an inordinate percentage of them are in the greater galactic plane and therefore candidate accretion stars.

A careful evaluation of the evidence at hand could either prove or disprove this model. It is also possible that ambiguous results of these tests could lead to further modifications, perhaps reintroducing some aspects of the Big Bang or conversely, slanting the universe towards the plasma models that is already on the table. The most important thing is that viable options to the Big Bang exist within the constraints of the universe as we know and understand it. A proper treatment of the observational data now on hand will define much of the fine structure of this cosmology, and provide a better impetus for future investigative observational studies.


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Other confirming evidences could be honed from the Sloan Digital Survey. These include:
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Using this Cooper state coupling, the cosmic redshifting becomes the friability factor for the entire universe, coupling gravitational forces with the radiation distance traveled! Gravity is no longer a separate component, but the net vectored force function of radiative fields. This electromagnetic mechanism would provide the inertial and gravitational coupling so long sought by Einstein: The same quantum field effects responsible for superfluidity and superconductivity supply the net vectored field strength quantified by Newton as the gravitational and inertial forces. There are several reasons for speculating there is a gravitational component in radiation transfer functions:

1) The Sloan Digital survey makes it clear thready structures permeate the known universe, but there are also areas of space which appear to be void of all matter. This coupling mechanism implies mass is required to transfer all radiation functions, allowing voids.

2) For an infinite universe based on radiation transfer functions, Obler’s paradox requires a convergence of the microwave background with the infrared continuum. If the molecular hydrogen concentration is uniform throughout all space and time, this should be the case. However, if true material voids exist, and the Sloan digital survey indicates they do, the
net vectoring of radiation transfer functions routes photons around these areas. In this case, the continuum in the near-IR and the microwave background never converge. However, the near-IR spectra should and does indicate an increasing power function with
distance, which is at odds with the available light budget for dust extinction (Zubko).

3) Both MOND phrenology and dark matter theories fail to predict observed celestial mechanics in certain situations. If gravity is truly an electromechanical force, coupled
through the mechanism described above, the natural acceleration of objects at the fringe of a galaxy follow the curvature of the galaxy as the net field strength subsides into the near voids. Photons and the ‘gravitational’ component of radiation follow the only available tensors along this galactic fringe. This clearly redefines inertial energy, allowing essentially nonlinear paths of least resistance when there is no supporting
material tensor.

4) The very concept of friability and the management of the tensor fields needed to balance these forces limit the abject distance a radiation function may exist in an infinite universe. This is apparent in the net exchange of energy required to predict constantly changing gravitational paths for the tiniest particles. In essence this adds a time/distance
component to basic equations governing mass distributions (Derouich).

5) Tolman-Bayin dynamics can be used to localize gravitational effects and eliminating the need for either a big bang or a cosmological constant to prevent the total collapse of the universe (Ray). They also eliminate the singularity created in a black hole collapse. The Chandra x-ray schematics of the crab nebula demonstrate how the remnant of a
supernova whirls into a cyclotronic accelerator, which on a grand scale may be capable of reducing complex matter into a primal state. (We call mature forms of these light element regenerators galaxies.) Massive galaxies that are ejecting massive quasars like a Roman cannon, as observed by Arp, are in complete harmony with this concept.

Finally, assigning gravity to an electromagnetic tensor, a very weak electronegative force, provides a solution to inertial coupling which has never been realized. Discrete integration of the field strength of any electron orbital configuration where the electron radius, re. >> rp. always yields a net attractive force. Could gravity be this simple?

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Yes, indeed. Could gravity really be this simple?

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I suggest you submit that to a peer reviewed journal.
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It's too good to be censored! :wink:
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Other confirming evidences could be honed from the Sloan Digital Survey. These include:
Go for it.
Love to. I need a team to do astrometrics, a statistician, a couple of data base gurus who know how to extract for the Sloan Survey, a head bean counter, and a few more team researchers: What would be best is a well staffed university astrophysics department - all of whom are well versed in proposal writing so we can do this without starving. Any volunteers?
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Soup, either find out a little bit about how science actually works, or just stop posting here.
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Sure, but they're already busy on other projects. Sorry.

Actually, I think you've made the problem harder than it is. You don't really need all those other people to do the work.
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Sure, but they're already busy on other projects. Sorry.
Aye, and that’s the rub. Even though completely revamping cosmology would represent a major coup, the risk involved in proposing four fundamental flaws exist is beyond the scope of any legitimate scientific research program. It is no wonder Soupd- has become so antagonistic.
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Actually, I think you've made the problem harder than it is. You don't really need all those other people to do the work.
The problem could not be any more difficult: How to spawn a reasonable peer review without funding when everyone thinks you are nuts.

In the meantime we are stuck with the curious interpretations Adam Riess has divined from a handful of high-redshift supernova-like events. (Deep sigh)
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Aye, and that’s the rub. Even though completely revamping cosmology would represent a major coup, the risk involved in proposing four fundamental flaws exist is beyond the scope of any legitimate scientific research program.
Proposing four fundamental flaws? So you are not even sure that they are flaws?
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Antogonistic? Soup?

I think Soup has toned down quite a bit. But, as much as I appreciate that, I have to point out that he has never participated in this process, so I'm not sure why he'd have a right to be antagonistic over that process.

Maybe other reasons.
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Actually, I think you've made the problem harder than it is. You don't really need all those other people to do the work.
The problem could not be any more difficult: How to spawn a reasonable peer review without funding when everyone thinks you are nuts.
No, that's easy. Show them you're not nuts.
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I'll look into that.

The simplest things can make a big difference. I was once helping my advisor with a paper and I made some suggestions, about changing passive voice to active. He agreed it sounded better. Later, he changed it back--he thought it didn't sound scientific enough. Too casual, I guess. I had to agree with him. You and I can sit around and shake our heads that such a stupid thing can make a difference--but my advisor was very successful with grants. He knew what he was doing, he knew his audience.

PS: I fixed the quote problem, sorry about that.
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Soup, either find out a little bit about how science actually works, or just stop posting here.
And your contribution to this thread is?

This was your last contribution on my EU thread:

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...Soup, you really should remember that being a woo-woo is permitted on this board, so long as you are not a nuisance...
Please read the FAQs. This part of the BB is for discussing ATM ideas. JWJ started this thread. If he is not happy with my tuppence worth, I am sure he is capable of telling me himself.
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There is a plausible, workable, and most importantly testable cosmology....

There is a cosmic non-Doppler redshift functionality that shifts, attenuates and homogenizes light from very distance sources while preserving the spectral lines
How do you propose testing this claim?
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Soup, what I am saying is that a peer-edited journal is not supposed ot censor AtM stuff; it's just supposed to examine it. If an AtM idea is actually possible and supported by evidence, it can get published in a peer-edited journal.
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I need a team to do astrometrics, a statistician, a couple of data base gurus who know how to extract for the Sloan Survey, a head bean counter, and a few more team researchers...

The problem could not be any more difficult: How to spawn a reasonable peer review without funding when everyone thinks you are nuts.
So write a proposal to get funding so you can finish up the research and produce the paper -- like most everybody else does it. Of course, a successful proposal will have to show definite promise rather than just an active imagination, so you'll have to include some tidbits of evidence to show there's some hope for such a revolutionary cosmology. And of course the percentage of funding proposals that are successful is probably not that high, so there are no guarantees, but there are different funding agencies....
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I guess resistance to an idea is not an excuse for defeatism
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There is a cosmic non-Doppler redshift functionality that shifts, attenuates and homogenizes light from very distance sources while preserving the spectral lines
How do you propose testing this claim?
Duplicate the pioneer 10 & 11 Doppler studies with the current generation of spectrographs and lasers and interferometes, using multiple wavelengths, beam proximities and radio frequencies. These are expensive but fairly simple and straight forward tests: If we see redshifting of light at nearly the same acceleration as the blue shifting of the radio frequencies in the pioneer craft - Jacques and I win.

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[So write a proposal to get funding so you can finish up the research and produce the paper
In process. I don't mind airing this in public, because if someone else launches a similar proposal, all the better. As Milli360 pointed out, the most conservative appoach is usually the best when looking for funding. (Notice how Paul Allen is reinventing the wheel). Nothing conservative about changing everything, and in order to be viable, all four of these parameters have to be corrected.
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