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Old 19-July-2004, 12:14 AM
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I bring your attention to the discovery and develop of a paradigm which debunks physics of its bizarre interpretations and misconcpetions.

The essay, Debunking Physics and Discoverying the Ultimate Paradigm of Science and be viewed at http://members.westnet.com.au/paradigm

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Old 19-July-2004, 12:45 AM
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Old 19-July-2004, 12:50 AM
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The essay appears to be a collection of agitating statements, gross generalizations and good ol'fasioned misinformation. Quite a tangle of fact and fiction.

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Make that two, with a numerology chaser.
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The essay, Debunking Physics and Discoverying the Ultimate Paradigm of Science and be viewed at http://members.westnet.com.au/paradigm
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Other cogent analysis from Stephen Moone, from the Physics Forum:

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The number [4] on the paradigm can represent the seven amino acids which are required in the formation of a single cell organism. Through addition the number [4] has a value of 7, and (2) and 16 represent temperature and pressure. [4] becomes (1) through this process and represents a single cell organism.

This organism as (1) divides into 9 and 9. Perhaps you can tell me what these two nines represent in the sense of strands of DNA. At [5] our organism is subject to the impact of radiation and mutates into (3). Our mutated organism can then recombine with the other strand of DNA and forms a new species of organism.
This reasoning has definitely changed my life!
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It just goes to show how first appearances can be deceptive.

The paradigm is both generalized and detailed. That's because the Universe is both
generalized and detailed.

The generalization refers to things being constructed form things. This is like a brick
house being constructed with bricks.

The paradigm goes on to specify the bricks and the things which go into constructing the
things which construct the bricks, etc.

The paradigm can not explain everything. It can not explain why the groundstate exists.
But, then, all paradigms have their limitations.

I've just begun applying the paradigm to biogenesis, the formation of a single cell
organism from amino acids.

Did you know that there are four types of habitat within which single cell organism are
formed. I didn't, before I applied the paradigm.

A single cell organism actually acts back on its habitat, creating the environment for its
own evolutionary progression.

We need to take a lesson from single cell organisms.

Welcome to the future of science

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Old 19-July-2004, 01:25 AM
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The essay, Debunking Physics and Discoverying the Ultimate Paradigm of Science and be viewed at http://members.westnet.com.au/paradigm

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Well, I had a bad day and needed a laugh.

Ahhhhh, where's Sam when you need him?
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Old 19-July-2004, 01:39 AM
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Does this list really have anything to do with science?

Are you telling me that you really don't understand that the paradigm is the ultimate
paradigm of science?

You mean that you don't see that everything is a quantity within the process of the
Universe?

You can't see that the arrows and structure represent the change and progression of things
constructed by the process of the Universe?

Do you not ask questions? Do you not seek answers? Do you not push beyond the
boundary of present knowledge? Do you simply accept everything that physicists claim?
Do you really believe in the existence of anti-matter and massless particles?

Truly amazing. I find ignorance as almost as amazing as knowledge.

Well people, you are obviously in for a big surprise. Try getting more of your neurons
fired-up.

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Old 19-July-2004, 01:55 AM
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Wow.

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Make that two, with a numerology chaser.
Make that three, and mine with some phlogiston... #-o
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Oh, I missed the word 'ultimate.' That changes everything.

You've convinced me!

Now to find how to use your diagram to prepare for my meeting today - surely there's something there to show me how to progress...
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Does this list really have anything to do with science?
Yes. Have you bothered reading any part of it before posting your ... stuff?


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Are you telling me that you really don't understand that the paradigm is the ultimate paradigm of science?
Why don't you try explaining what it is YOU understand before making assumptions about our understanding?

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You mean that you don't see that everything is a quantity within the process of the Universe?

You can't see that the arrows and structure represent the change and progression of things constructed by the process of the Universe?

Do you not ask questions? Do you not seek answers? Do you not push beyond the boundary of present knowledge? Do you simply accept everything that physicists claim?
Do you really believe in the existence of anti-matter and massless particles?
You mean you don't understand why people are laughing at this mess of assumptions and half-baked theories that you posted?

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Truly amazing. I find ignorance as almost as amazing as knowledge.
So do I.

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Well people, you are obviously in for a big surprise. Try getting more of your neurons fired-up.
I'm speechless at the irony.

I will say that you've certainly got everyone's attention now, but insulting people isn't the best way to go about promulgating your theory.


P.S. It's spelled "misconceptions."
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Ouch... Too much sarcasm. #-o
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(9) The Ultimate Paradigm of Science represents the ultimate logic of the Universe, and with the Paradigm there is no need to conduct experiments to make scientific discoveries.
What you need to do in order to make everyone believe you is use The Ultimate Paradigm of Science (tm) to make a prediction about the universe. Predict something that is not currently known and be very very specific. You should be able to do this because, "there is no need to conduct experiments to make scientific discoveries." Anyway, after you make your prediction you can confirm The Ultimate Paradigm of Science (tm) in the eyes of the world by backing up the prediction with observation.

It's that easy.

You know, Einstein predicted that light would be bent by gravity but even he had to prove it observationally by photographing star light during an eclipse. You're going to have to do the same thing. So stop wasting your time posting to Internet forums! Get to work making a prediction.
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Ouch... Too much sarcasm. #-o
Wasn't meant as sarcasm. Was meant as dry irony. Perhaps I can go moderate it a bit.
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While I find several statements in that essay irritating and debatable and even insulting towards science, I'll at least try to approach the the theory itself with a bit of logic and science.

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On reading the Cavendish paper I was struck by two results. The first entails repulsion. Cavendish discovered that "the arm moved backwards, in the same manner that it before move forward". Gravity is not supposed to involve repulsion. The second result was that after heating one of the weights "the effect was so much increased, that the arm was drawn 14 division aside, instead of about three". Heating one of the weights increased the attraction. I had no problem with this. The heating increased the emission of the weight and when this was absorbed by the other weight it increased the attraction. This is also against the physics law of gravity.
While I don't have a copy of the origianl article, I've just done a little research and familiarized myself on how it was conducted. First up, repulsion? I seriously doubt there was any repulsion observed. If the bar was allowed to swing quite freely then it would end up acting like a pendulum, swinging back and forth with the weight as the center of this motion. I think you've misinterpreted Cavendish's description of this motion. Second, heating increases gravitational attraction? I can't debate this as easily, but I'm gussing it was a some sort of mistake on his part. Since I don't have the article, I can't really say any more on what this mistake might have been. But current physics as I understand it says heating or temperature does not affect gravity (or electromagnetism or any other force). Current physics is also based on experiments and observations carried out by thouands of individuals for hundreds of years. This essay is basically saying that everyone who has studied physics for the past 200 years has missed this supposed effect. I have serious doubts about the possibility of that happening...

I must admit that some aspects of this theory are interesting, but I'm not at all convinced that it is correct in the places where it disagrees with current physics.
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I decided there and then that the attraction was due to the pith ball absorbing emission from the glass rod and that everything in the Universe absorbs and emits as a product of its existence.
and this is the basis of your theory? what emissions?

i'm sorry, but your theory seems a bit long on assumptions and short on facts.
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I bring your attention to the discovery and develop of a paradigm which debunks physics of its bizarre interpretations and misconcpetions.

The essay, Debunking Physics and Discoverying the Ultimate Paradigm of Science and be viewed at http://members.westnet.com.au/paradigm

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Why does every nutcase fail to use math when they post "alternative" solutions and instead insist on writing page after page of bunk?
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Old 19-July-2004, 03:22 AM
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Why does every nutcase fail to use math when they post "alternative" solutions and instead insist on writing page after page of bunk?
Omicron, he gets around that by simply dismissing math and claiming that math is incapable of describing the universe. Here..

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Mathematics is a human invention and is not the ultimate logic of the Universe.
But he does employ numerology later in his essay which I found somewhat ironic.
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Old 19-July-2004, 03:33 AM
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Does this list really have anything to do with science?
Probably a bit more than the paradigm.

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Are you telling me that you really don't understand that the paradigm is the ultimate paradigm of science?

Oh, sorry. I didn't know that little arrows, odd number coincidences, and a bit of numerology could overturn all of science.

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You mean that you don't see that everything is a quantity within the process of the Universe?
Oh yes, I've seen them before. In another coincedence, 345 is about how many other people I have seen come up with some number(s) that for some reason they feel will overturn science. A recent one here is "Ashmore's Paradox" ((tm) and c).

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You can't see that the arrows and structure represent the change and progression of things constructed by the process of the Universe?

Oh yeah, numbers and arrows change everything.

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Do you not ask questions? Do you not seek answers? Do you not push beyond the boundary of present knowledge?
Yes, yes, no. I would like to know what level of understanding you have of Relativity, QM, and biosciences. After all, if your saying their wrong or connected through your paradigm, you should have a complete understanding of all of the above, just so you know what is wrong.

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Do you simply accept everything that physicists claim?
Well, I will if there is experimental evidence for it. Exactly what experimental evidence do you have? Oh, that's right "there is no need to conduct experiments to make scientific discoveries". So I guess were just supposed to accept what you claim, right?

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Do you really believe in the existence of anti-matter and massless particles?
Well, yes, cause I've studied it. Exactly what is your training in particle physics and Relativity that allows you to throw out concepts that have experimental proof? Oh yeah, that no need for experiments thing.

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Truly amazing. I find ignorance as almost as amazing as knowledge.
In some cases, I find it more amazing.

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Well people, you are obviously in for a big surprise. Try getting more of your neurons fired-up.
I will and do, when it's worth it.
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Why does every nutcase fail to use math when they post "alternative" solutions and instead insist on writing page after page of bunk?
Omicron, he gets around that by simply dismissing math and claiming that math is incapable of describing the universe. Here..

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Mathematics is a human invention and is not the ultimate logic of the Universe.
But he does employ numerology later in his essay which I found somewhat ironic.
I actually find it consistent with most people who believe they have "the ultimate answer". Throw out what shows you to be wrong and keep what you think shows you to be right. To me, it's a bigger example of quote mining.
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Stephen,

You expect to be taken seriously and treated with respect. Reading through your article shows me you have none for other people unless they subscribe to your view of the world.

From your link:
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I will place your email on my web page. Such ignorance should be brought to the attention of everyone.
It would be respectful to ask before posting personal corespondance for public viewing. Secondly, he asked you not to contact him again, you did so against his wishes and put his email on your site.


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There I was, the only person on the planet in this history of Earth who understood the paradigm and what it held for our future.
And you allway's will be, for it will only ever make sense to you. When something only makes sense to you, then it's a good indicator somethings wrong.

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I said we would make sure everyone on this planet had adequate food and housing. And we have. I said we would spread democracy over the whole planet. And we have. I said we would achieve a greater justice for all. And we have. And we have only just begun.

Your definitions of :"adequate food and housing", "democracy" and greater justice are seriously just plain wrong.

Might I suggest you take up the advice of the gentleman you so easily condemed.
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I bring your attention to the discovery and develop of a paradigm which debunks physics of its bizarre interpretations and misconcpetions...
The word "paradigm" should be used very sparingly, lest it soon becomes indistinguishable from "Abra Kadabra" - as in this paper.
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Lyndon? Is that you, Lyndon?

Oh, no, sorry. I got you confused with someone else, Stevie. For a second there, I thought it read 'The Ashmore Paradigm'.
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I said we would make sure everyone on this planet had adequate food and housing. And we have. I said we would spread democracy over the whole planet. And we have. I said we would achieve a greater justice for all. And we have. And we have only just begun.

Mr. Obvious:
Your definitions of :"adequate food and housing", "democracy" and greater justice are seriously just plain wrong.
No, he's using creative license here and projecting himself into the future and looking back at 2004 as the year he introduced the paradigm to the world.

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Those last days before the paradigm hit, back in 2004, were simply wonderful. There I was, the only person on the planet in this history of Earth who understood the paradigm and what it held for our future.
The paradigm will save the world from these problems--food, hunger, etc. He seems confident that the "establishment will embrace the paradigm" and these will be the results.

I wonder if anyone has embraced it yet.
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No, he's using creative license here and projecting himself into the future and looking back at 2004 as the year he introduced the paradigm to the world.
Yep, that's the way to turn the great minds of today towards his cause :-?

Best I leave this whole thread alone from now on.......
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Folks--

When someone comes in here, no matter how arrogant, no matter how bizarre, and no matter how much they goad, I expect people here to behave themselves. Making fun of people gets us nowhere, which is why I specifically say not to do it in the FAQ.

Out of all the above replies in this thread, only a few actually discuss what is claimed. The rest are simply pile-ons. The results were obvious and easily predictable.

Skeptics tend to be vilified by people, and in many cases for good reason. That is why I demand, and enforce, a level of courtesy on this board. You can attack the claims, but not the claimant. I understand the desire to blow off steam when someone posts the same Moon Hoax claim for the nth time, and gentle teasing is not a terrible way to express it. I do it myself sometimes. But full-on insults and sarcasm will not be tolerated. They do not further the cause of critical thinking, and in fact hinder it.

I am locking this thread. You all can see who posted what, and it should be obvious who is skirting the thin edge of the FAQ. And I will reiterate, as I have done too many times now: I do not want apologies, I want action. Do the right thing in the first place.
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