In other threads people have asked for evidence in regards to various astronomical, astrological, and roswell/area51 concerns. In other threads I brought up the Philadelphia Experiment. I have been asked to start a seperate thread on the subject.

I highly suggest reading Marshall Barnes overview that catalogs his investigation from start to finish , including telephone transcripts and his appearance on A & E.

http://www.viewzone.com/philadelphia.html

He has proven conclusively that their is at least more to this story than the Navy is willing to admit.

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Uhh... Dude, the Philadelphia Experiment never happened. Seach this board for it and see what you turn up. :roll:

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I have read a few posts but I believe this is new evidence. An exercept from the link :

Also have a look at this:

http://www.viewzone.com/philadelphia.ship.jpg

Edit: this is even better.

http://www.viewzone.com/philadelphia.realship.jpg

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I have a question...

Doctor, have you ever found a woowoo theory that you didn't like??

define "woowoo" ... I feel it's important to use words that have some kind of dictionary meaning if we are to partake in intelligent conversation.

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Like Doctor?

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I AM a Doctor sir and I have a certificate to prove it. Please do not diminish years of hardwork and achievement because you do not agree that Lines-Morris is a real institution. NASA packets our servers and then coverup agents accuse us of makeup stories when we can't link to the official website.

( I am not accusing anyone here of being a coverup agent however in the past on other forums other people have. )

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The so called "Philadelphia experiment" is in the catagory of "naval legends", similar to "urban legends". See this link for information about how this "naval legend" came to pass.

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Yes, however the links I provided 'prove' that the Philadelphia Experiment was at least possible. Marshall Barnes also goes to great lengths to record a Naval Officier claiming that even if it did happen it would be classified at the highest levels and the military would be _forced_ to lie.

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Then may I kindly ask that you refer to me as Doctor as well? As you will notice, my rank here is BadPhD, so, Dr. Musashi please.

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Ohhh. Does that mean i have two doctorates? :-D


Obtaining invisibility to the naked eye can happen, and im sure that the military is experimenting with it. But its been shown, (linked above in the urbal legends link) that the Philidaelphia experiment itself is a legend and that is all.

My understanding is that ships are now made "invisible" by certain design concepts to reduce its radar footprint, in much the way they do with aircraft.

My father tells the tale of a Vulcan bomber from the UK that had the radar footprint equivalent of a small light aircraft. The US authorities were told to expect a British bomber, and when they did not detect the large footprint they were expecting, put out a massive air sea rescue search for a downed aircraft. Meanwhile the Vulcan bomber was sitting safely on the tarmac an a US airfield.

Anyhue, I thought the Philadelphia project was a film released in the 1980's There was also a sequal I remember where a US nuclear bomber gets sent back in time and is captured by the NAZIs to capture America. (Both films seemed to flop if I remember correctly - well the sequal did anyhue)

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To me, a woowoo theory, is a theory that is unsupported by any evidence, whatsoever...yet is still believed in.

For instance...astrology, the "face" on Mars, Flying Saucers and aliens, the philadelphia "experiment", ghosts, ESP, dousing, the existence of Atlantis, bigfoot...etc. There are numerous others...

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The Problem with the Naval Legends link is that it's released officially by the Navy. That cannot be accepted by anyone , wiether you believe the PE took place or not, because if it did the navy would be required to lie. Which means anything they claim cannot be taken at face value. If it happened and was confidential they would release that letter, if it didn't happen and wasn't confidential they would still release the same exact letter.

It's important that you at least look at respectable 3rd party sources like Marshall Barnes. He really breaks it down nicely and proves that the ship could have been rendered invisible in that timeframe. He also addresses many of the 'debunks' claiming that Carl Allende started the whole thing and tells of at least 3 other witnesseses.

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Astrology
- It's a science... it's like saying "chemistry isn't a science and has no evidence"

the Face on Mars
- it's obviously a face. However it might not necessarily have been built, it could just be natural, or it could be the light ... we won't know until it can be examined up close.

Flying Saucers & Aliens
- aliens definitely are already in heavy contact with the US government. Probably were/are with the Russians too. Their aircraft may or may not be saucer shaped.

Ghosts
- I don't blieve in Ghosts.

ESP
- depends. I would say half the people that claim to be aren't.

Atlantis
- No thats just silly.

bigfoot
- most definitely. Their are tons of sightings all over British Columbia. They get almost 800 daily by average people. Their is an array of evidence to back this up.

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It's highly doubtful that any ship was rendered invisable. This article explains how this myth came to pass. Here's a snip regarding what activities could have set off this rumor:

There's no actual evidence for any of the invisability claims.

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Bigfoot. Thats for another topic, but we can go for looonnng lengths on how thats not possible too. Note: i did not say impossible, just not possible.

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What about the evidence presented clearly by Marshall Barnes on the above link

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I'll leave Bigfoot out of this .. the last thing we need is to go off on a cryptozoology tangent but regarding some of the other items:
Lousy comparison Dr. Buster. There's evidence that chemistry works, unlike astrology. There's not even a consensus among astrologers as to how distant planets are supposed to influence people.
If it was a face, what happened to it between the '76 pics and subsequent flybys?
You've already admitted you can't prove that the U.S. has aliens "on ice" so I'm not expecting any evidence for this claim.Exactly and I think your citation is spot on.

A fuzzy photograph and some anecdotal claims is not sufficient evidence. Where did Marshal publish his findings so we might scrutinize his work? What were the details of his experiment? Who manufactures the "diffractive film" he used? What is the nature of the film (ie. is it a thin, thick, molded, extruded, etc.. )? How about a diagram demonstrating how the film was used in each experiment? .. Anything?

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Seeing as how this isn't astronomy, and the OP is a known troll, I am locking this thread.

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