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Old 30-August-2004, 11:56 PM
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An interesting list of the close calls that many space missions had
http://www.astronautix.com/articles/thespace.htm

If just a couple more of them had been disastrous, how much of astronautical history would not have happened or would have been heavily delayed?
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It depends on the era you're talking about. I doubt that a couple more deaths in the 1950s & 60s would have caused many more delays. The costs were high but the prize of being the first into space, the first into orbit and the first on the moon was worth it to the men and women who worked in the program. But over the years as space explortation became less pollitically motivated and more scientifically motivated the loss of a crew would cause more delays becuase there is no longer the ego to win.
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Would the crashing of Apollo 10's LEM into the moon with its two astronauts have resulted in the cancellation of the program, or merely a poignant 1971 Apollo 11 instead of 1969?
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Would the crashing of Apollo 10's LEM into the moon with its two astronauts have resulted in the cancellation of the program, or merely a poignant 1971 Apollo 11 instead of 1969?
I would vote for a frantic attempt to identify and fix the problem in time to meet Kennedy's deadline of the end of 1969.
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Would the crashing of Apollo 10's LEM into the moon with its two astronauts have resulted in the cancellation of the program, or merely a poignant 1971 Apollo 11 instead of 1969?
I would vote for a frantic attempt to identify and fix the problem in time to meet Kennedy's deadline of the end of 1969.
But wouldn't they have technically sent men to the moon already?
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But as Kennedy said in his 1961 Moon speech:
"I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth"!
http://www.luminet.net/~tgort/moon.htm
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The mission was to land a man on the Moon and return him safely to the Earth.

It would have been a lot easier without that second phrase... 8-[

Edited to add: darn, I've been trumped... :wink:
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I like this one:

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Service module failed to separate resulting in nose-first re-entry. The bolts connecting the service module to the re-entry capsule finally burned through and the capsule turned around, heat shield forward, just before the forward hatch melted. All capsule propellant was exhausted and the cosmonaut made a 9-G uncontrolled re-entry, landing hundreds of kilometres short. At the celebration of his return, the cosmonaut is shot at during an attempt to assasinate the Soviet premier.
All that happened during the flight, then the poor sob gets shot at besides!

Wasn't there an incident with the Mear (sp) where a cargo vessel slammed into it while performing an automated docking maneuver? Come to think of it, they don't list any Mear incidences. I seem to recall there being quite a few in the later stages of its life.
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But as Kennedy said in his 1961 Moon speech:
"I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth"!
http://www.luminet.net/~tgort/moon.htm
Politicians always want to stick in these niggling little details that restrict the creativity of the engineers....
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If just a couple more of them had been disastrous, how much of astronautical history would not have happened or would have been heavily delayed?
I like the way that this is put up to chance as if the flip of a coin could have turned a close call into a disaster. In fact I think it is a tribute to all those people who worked tirelessly to make the program a success. They didn't catch every contingency, no one could, but they caught a lot of them. When the unexpected did turned up, they worked the problem and brought things back under control.


I think that the attitude of Gene Kranz:

Chris Kraft: This could be the worst disaster NASA's ever faced.
Gene Kranz: With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour.

Is the reason that there were so few of the close calls turned into disasters.
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It's an interesting compilation, but a few of them are stretches to be called hazardous.....just a few random thoughts looking through the list:

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STS-36. Launch delayed due to illness of crew member.
How does this differ from any other scrub?

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Apollo 9.......If rendezvous and docking of the Lunar Module with the Apollo CSM had failed, the crew would have been stranded in orbit.
Is this correct? Wasn't one of the objectives of the 2-man EVA to investigate the possibility of spacecraft to spacecraft transfer? Even just station keeping (as opposed to docking), would such transfer not have been a contingency?

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STS 1. The only time a new spacecraft was launched manned on its first flight. Many thought it would be a disaster.
And they were proven wrong.

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Apollo 15. One of the three main parachutes failed, causing a hard but survivable splashdown.
From memory, the failure of one of the chutes caused a ~5 mph increase in splashdown velocity, which was well within safety parameters.

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Gemini 5. Fuel cell problem led to cancellation of experiments, extremely boring free-drift mode to meet duration goals.
However, there was no danger to craft or crew.


There is no doubt that space exploration is a hazardous pursuit. However, the words of Gus Grissom still resonate:

"If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business, and we hope that if anything happens to us it will not delay the program. The conquest of space is worth the risk of life."
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But as Kennedy said in his 1961 Moon speech:
"I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth"!
http://www.luminet.net/~tgort/moon.htm
There would have been two ways out, actually. Technically, 'the decade' (note that Kennedy did not say 'the 1960s') ran from 1961 - 1970, just as the first year of the 21st century was 2001. Plus Kennedy made that speech in 1961, so you could also call 'the decade' ten years from the date of his speech. So that gives two ways to spin an Apollo 10 disaster (or Apollo 11, come to that) as long as NASA could have got back on track before the end of 1970...
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