Okay, the human brain has many safe guards for information to be "safe guarded" (locked away) from the active brain. One of these (which im concentraiting on) is memory and it is an actual fact that we never forget anything we are ever told, hear, see, smell, eat... but infact our brains "forces" us to forget so it can function properly.
When one of these "safe guards" breaks down it leads to mental health problems (the field im going into) and one prime example is schizophrenia where a break down in the nervous system which isn't neurone miss fire but actualy a mental disorder in which the psyche of a person breaks up.
The actual explination of DeJa Vu Is not known yet but many pass it off as neurone missfire but the amount of times i have had it (even at an extreamly young age) is exceptionaly high and in some cases i have had several in the same day but then not had them for a few days. Which surgests its not an actual missfire in the neurones of the brain as it would bring up a regular brain pattern or a memory.
What i think is that DeJa Vu is a break down in another of our brain functions in which the feeling of familiarity appears (the been here done that feeling). The reason we can't tell what the future really is, is that billions of state changes occour in our brain every second (read quote below) and our brain is sensitive to every quantem event which means we should be able to predict the future. But for our brains to work if it actualy processed every state change we would never get anywhere as we would be litrally brain dead from the amount of work it would be doing. So our brain obviously has a "safe guard" against all of the information that it is flooded with from quantem states in the mind, a small break down in this could lead to a familiar feeling which is given by Deja Vu

My question is that if brains are aware of all the possible futures (which comes with all the quantem states) would this prove the posibility of Precog dreams?

It just seems that all Precog dreams are a possible future and many are in face actual futures. Would this be a more refined form of DeJa Vu where the brain filters out Quantum states that are unlikely to happen so the more likely futures happen all of which would lead onto the domino effect.[/quote]

Hold on there. Much of the information that reaches our brains is discarded, pieced together, stitched across from blank spot to blank spot, and inferred from a system prone to illusion. If anything, the brain sifts and weights elements based on body state: one tends to remember emotional events more than everyday to the point of highway hypnosis or the traveling to or from work without remembering the trip. Happened to me a number of times. Kind of the brain saying "Seen it! What's on the other channels?"


There are many kinds of schizophrenia, and many symptoms: but the error is in the way we think, and it might be correctable i.e. also neurochemical, not the psyche of a person breaking up.

Actually, the more we learn about experience, encoding, and the like, especially from the schizophrenic, the more we can say about memory encoding. We have extremely short term memory, which is the continuity of objects, and normally it is encoded in a particular fashion. If it encoded slightly differently, it can "look" like a long-term memory instead, and fool us into thinking we've experienced the event a long time ago, rather than in the current extremely short-term memory episode we call "now."

There are a number of memory-encoding errors and experience-distorting problems that are prevalent and might be traceable to the same mechanism: psychotic breaks, where a person experiences the extremely short-term memory as a story or episode not really including the self; the opposite problem in some schizophrenics where a related event or event told to the person has the person's self-image imposed on it making it from a memory of a story to an episodic or self-experienced memory. I'm following a similar route in trying to explain abduction phenomena as poorly coded early memories of nighttime diaper changes with the modern "self" and ad-hoc interpretations superimposed on the memory.

Humans have some capacity for extending the current-memory events into the future as far as expectations go, and this might also extend into deja-vu, but precognition is not an endemic function. If one had the math smarts and psychology, one could reasonably predict some events and personality, but not to any precognition extent.

Good points

The predicting events and personality is actualy easily done, there was an experiment just recently on tv where psychologists took personality samples of a group of people they had never met and where all dressed in black and about 8/10ths of the time they were right (while they were dressed in black). But one of the psychologists made a guess that on a weekend away the "impulsive" people would set the kitchen on fire, low and behold the food started smoking and then set on fire.

I personaly have had "DeJa Vu's" where i can actualy remember when i had dreamed of it and just woken up and thought "wow what an odd dream", they have been even month long but once the DeJa Vu happens a big flood of when i dreamed it occours and i can remember the dream (quite easily ) and the moments after.

THis was how deja vu was explained to me... i could be wrong but i dont think so.

When one experiences something for the first time it is sent to short term memory first, to be later sent to long term memory at the appropriate time. When one experiences deja vu what happens instead is the new memory is sent to long term memory instead so if you try to compare what you are experiencing to your past you suddenly feel like you have done that exact same thing before.

Again this is just how it was explained to me. There could be other causes, that im not aware of.

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Thats one of the typical neurone miss fires which is used to dismiss it as just "something the brain does" like a mistake but if our brains made that many mistakes it could quite easily damage itself.

I play bass guitar and electric guitar and its quite easy to tell you that if i stopped and thought about everything i did i wouldn't get one second of a song out. Like if you stopped to think about driving a car you would crash straight away. The brain has a subconcious seemingly to keep your "concious" (of what we see) doing the important things that need more controled thought on.
What im thinking is that neurone "miss fire" is sometimes the cause but it happens to regularly and is too common for me to accept that its just my brain making a mistake. That essentialy everyone in the whole world has a mental disorder of a major degree is somewhat unnerving.

My DeJa Vu experiances some are just the wow thats odd ones but others like i said i can remember seeing them in a dream which i've just forgotten about over a couple of hours or days but our brain doesn't "forget" it just puts it in the "back of the cupboard" (so to speak) so that our brain doesn't get clogged down. So the my brain "missfiring" is either effecting the past (which i've written my dreams down before and had the deja vu of it weeks or months later) or it is something slightly bigger.

I dont know if you could catagorize deja vu in the sence that i explained it as a major brain disorder or even a minor one. I dont see where you are coming from in that regard. If you are experiencing dreams of an event then seeing similiaritys to real events at a later date then i wouldnt call that deja vu. Though i would be surprised if there was anymore to it then connecting imaginary dots which only connect the hits (similiaritys) and dissmissing the misses ( any details that just dont fit.) It doesnt sound like deja vu to me.

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How many episodes of non-dream-predicted Deja-Vu do you experience in a day?

Just to add, my brother has had a dream like deja vu experience before,

It happend something like this... He dreamt a bank got robbed, later that week my parents, my brother and i were in a car and drove past a bank which had been robbed. Now, the way this makes sense to me is that when one dreams of a specific type of place or event it is relayed by examples of types of places and events that you have already experienced.. if you dream about a bank it most likely take the form of a bank you have seen or been inside of. So did he predict that that bank would be robbed? i dont think so. I think that he dreamt about a generic type of event. and when confronted with a more specific event it made his dream fit more easily. Its just odds that eventually someone will dream of some possible event shortly before something like it happens.

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Well i had 2 today, yesterday i had one, sat non, friday non. But monday to thursday which i was in a new place i had about 15 deja vu's through those 4 days and new place meaning completly never been there before, never seen the people, dont know any of the people except one teacher who i've never seen before but turns out to be my next door neigbour. I havent had a girl in my class for 5 years as i went to an all boys school and the girls in my health care course are from different schools some from different towns and most are 1 or 2 years older then me so wouldn't have been in any of my classes anyway. But i still manage to get deja vu's 2 of which where connected to a dream.

One being my (new) friend Amy saying something i'd never heard said before but remember it from the dream and it was to the word. I dismissed the dream because Amy looks like someone i know just blonde so i thought wow odd dream, but when it happened the person who asked her the question was stood about 1/2 a meter behind me and i could only see Amy and from the dream i remember being stood infront of the Abby national bank and when i looked up i could see the sign.

Worm Hunters example is one i used to dismiss it with but when i know non of the people and it was down to word specifics and hair colours and buildings that didn't even exist when i had the dream. (well the building did just not as an abby national bank as far as im aware anyway)

you bring up an interesting point about reading a sign.. I have been under the impression that in dreams you can not read. i have tried and failed though it could have been just because i already had the impression that you cant but if anyone knows if there is an truth to it i would like to know. But the reason i bring it up is how did you know where you were standing infront of if you had to read the sign?

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How long ago did you have this dream?? [/quote]

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"Misfires" in this context are software, not hardware. There are hardware problems that can severely affect memory processing - which is controlled by the hippocampus (located roughly near the center of your brain and behind each eye).

This is known as motor skill (or muscle memory) and is controlled by the cerebellum (located at the base of your brain where your neck meets your skull.) But there is an initial period of consciously learning the sequence, then patching all the pieces together. Do you seem to make more mistakes the first time or the hundredth? Placing more emphasis on an activity (such as practice) develops stronger associations (or pathways) in the brain. Strong emotional response can trigger the same types of associations to develop.

I'm a huge believer in defensive driving - scanning the road, looking for potential problems, and thinking in terms of contingencies. Most of this is in the form of conscious thought.

That's the real beauty of having distributed control centers. You can run from the lion and decide on the safest place available all in the same instant.

Now where did I set those car keys 3 minutes ago?

I've had the same compelling feeling as well. I tend to think that the event triggered a false association. Have you ever "remembered" that someone was with you - say on a fishing trip 2 years ago when in fact they were not there at all. You usually end up saying something like "Oh, that was Jane that was with me." or "You're right, we went fishing at that other lake."

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Actualy i looked up to make sure it was the same bank as it spreads 2 buildings, the sign was in the window in my dream printed backwards so people inside could see the info but in my dream i could read it as it was all backwards (its hard to explain i'd draw it if i had a scanner).

The dream was about a week after finishing my GCSE's as it was about a week before my holiday aswell. But i havent been into the town centre all holiday which is when the buildings got changed into a bank aswell as several other shops into other shops.

Ummm i dont drive but i've forgotten i had contacts in which is actualy very common as you put them in once a day take them out once and dont notice them inbetween. The actualy forgetting something in your short term memory is from you not paying atention, my room is a "mess" but i know where everything is i dont even have to search because i remember putting it there when i need to. But i often lose guitar picks as they stick to your arms and drop off with out you noticing so i've made a note to pick things up that drop off me

It depends on if the pattern is familiar like two songs i play but the odd thing is when my brain and "subconcious" or muscle memory mix up the song. I play the start to same old story i end up playing american jesus because its the same frets for the start of the song.

I can honestly say i've never had one of those experiances but lifes still young for me im only 16 and as far as fishing with me goes unless jane was the shrub i caught or the branch i cought out of the oak tree behind me i dont think it was a trip i've been on
But i do get what you mean my parents do it a lot which is really annoying as they dont believe me even though they know i have a better memory then them.

I also wonder if me been left handed has anything to do with it as i was taught right handed aswell (stupid teacher that i hates fault and is now a head mistress some how) which has given me a symmetrical brain function. From tests i've taken i have a 3% more masculin brain and even left and right lobe activity but im mostly left handed now except for guitar so im left handed for all my day from 7am till 12pm excusing aprox 2 hours for guitar. (these are those like 50 question online tests)

Add: not that guitar matters as i use my left hand on the fret board so it does more work anyway with slides and hammer ons etc over strumming.

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Sounds to me like you're only describing "Imaging the Future." I can predict the future ("I'm going to a meeting tomorrow.") although it's not perfect (I could get sick and miss the meeting.) but I do pretty well at it--better than most pet psychics.

as for predicting the unthinkable, that's a different matter. such as, you'll hit a car, or, there will be an earth quake and your street will flood... or. you company gets bankrupt at a time of its highest earnings then there was scandal and you recieve all their assets, etc. or... a ferris wheel lands in your backyard. etc. etc. etc.