my observations correspond with yours. How could somebody in Wisconsin see something different to either of us?

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Krill

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Data only arises from observations. You have been offered some earlier by dummy. Do you have any counter-observations?

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Why are you using your GOTO scope when a simple measurement would do? Is it so hard to measure the altitude of the Moon at prescribed points and compare it to Navy data?

I'll take you up on that. How about we post here the predictions for the Moon's location around October 27th/28th and check later?

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Krill

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Because a GoTo scope is an instument specifically designed to make such observations, and preprogrammed years in advance. Getting out such a telescope and seeing whether it correctly locates the Moon is about as simple a measurement as one could make, no?

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I used my GOTO scope as I can now go outside and use it to look at a few objects in the sky. Regardless what I used, I have just physically proven (to myself at least) that the Moon is positioned in the sky exactly where the telescope company predicted it to be. Do you consider this proof and if not, why not?

I've already offered to put €10,000 on it as a bet, BHK, he hasn't taken it up.

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Oregon, Syracuse and Wisconsin are about the same latitude give or take several degrees, but Florida would have seen a higher disc.

I completely agree.

But if you and I both saw the Moon at the same altitude, somebody in Wisconsin, looking on the same night, can't possibly have seen anything different, can they? We would all have been looking at the same thing over the same time range.

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Krill

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Florida is indeed a southerly state (waits for expression of enlightment to appear - maybe not, decides to crash out after all).

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If the tilt of the Earth is the cause of the anomalies your GOTO scope will pick up nothing, because you are referencing stars that changed position as a group. The stars and the Moon are in the same positions relative to each other but the observer’s position has changed. This allows the Moon to be out of position, but still puts a GOTO scope on target due to programming.

What anomalies? This is simply begging the question.

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We are not discussing whether the Earth is tilted in this thread. We are discussing whether the Moon's position in the sky is incorrect. I'll ask again; If my aligned go-to telescope has just correctly found the moon, do you consider this proof that the Moon is in the correct position?

While simple handspan measurements and good astronomy programs (even those from 1997) are more than adequate for showing nothing is out of place, a goto does the math on its own with no way to account for unpredictable motions of the earth, moon, planets, or stars. Some one you should be familiar with has already taken the time to explain this and his explanation can be found here.

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When I posted the Moon had moved from its peak which for me was around 7:30 the debate got hot a couple of hours later which would allow all to see the same thing as the time zones moved into a peak appearance of the Moon.

The Moon was not at 18 degrees on the night of Sept. 22 in NY.

here is the central point:

you started by suggesting that the Moon was in the wrong position, as predicted by your calculations, and as observed by you. I do not dispute your observations, but I dispute your (original) calculations as to where the Moon should be. When you correct your own reasoning for the error which you made (and accept), your own reasoning predicts the Moon to be in the same position in which you actually observed it

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Krill

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Please I don't know what you mean exactly it all runs together because I think you have not added any punctuation.

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Please cite.

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