"Return of the Planet Nibiru!"

brownpau · #1 (**permalink**) 13-November-2001, 06:53 AM

Hi there, everyone! I'm new here, from the Philippines. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Anyway, I run a small webpage and egroup to verify and debunk Filipino urban legends and hoaxes, and lately, the egroup has been getting spam about "Planet X," or "Nibiru," an ancient planet orbiting a hidden "dark sun," whose arrival brings catastrophe and disaster to the Earth every few thousand years. Apparently, "Nibiru" will be swinging around here again in 2003, and we should all be prepared for the chaos. (Tinfoil hats, anyone?) He even links to existing astronomy news articles, claiming that government coverups are hiding Nibiru's existence behind the disguise of asteroids and Kuiper Belt Objects.

The "Planet X" theory enjoys a moderate amount of popularity in New Age circles, but I don't think it's ever been regarded as credible enough to be taken seriously by more sober individuals. As such, my Googling about on this has not turned up a decent scientific debunk. While I'm enthusiastic about amateur astronomy, I have not the scientific acumen to properly answer these wild claims.

What do you folks think? (Next post will have the full text of the spam email I've been getting. By the way, Bad Astronomer, I emailed you this yesterday, before I discovered that you had a discussion board. My bad.)

[ This Message was edited by: brownpau on 2001-11-13 03:00 ]

brownpau · #2 (**permalink**) 13-November-2001, 06:57 AM

Here's the full text of the email...

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Zecharia Sitchin, the world renowned scholar and acheologist now finally agrees, "I prophesise the return of this planet called Nibiru AT THIS TIME!"

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/sitchin.html

Trusting the Pentagon/gov't to guard itself & relay needed information to protect you is clearly illogical.

In July, 2001 the red object "2001 KX76" was disclosed. This was the original attempt at misdirection to cover-up Planet X, Nibiru, Wormwood, or THE MOST REVERED HEAVENLY BODY IN ALL ANTIQUITY. After 3600 years on its regular orbit it will pass again in SPRING 2003. It's RECORDED IN ANCIENT TEXTS & the SCIENCE OF ARCHEOLOGY shows its effect on Earth with each passage. Yes, some conspiracies are without merit, ignoring history and science is another matter. The faint red cross to the left of this red object in the middle of this photo is X.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs...2/kuiper.html#

By August 2001 the disinformation had changed to the "LARGEST ASTERIOD EVER" and it's now shown as blue. It's the same label on a different object.

http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-re...-01.html#note3

When the attention was drawn to the area by announcing the "Largest Asteriod" was there, they made sure the color of the new "2001 KX76" was blue. All speculation about a large DULL RED inbound brown dwarf coming in from that direction was to be avoided. This is one of their tactics for hiding Planet X. First labeling an object near where its coming in from, then using that same label for another object to misdirect attention. They will continue to identify objects ahead and around X to misdirect attention. The normal helpful & professional Nasa employees are being evasive & condescending when asked about it.

Here's where to find the real X coordinates:

http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90207.htm

X has INTENTIONALLY BEEN MADE TO SOUND RIDICULOUS and confusing for several reasons. One of which is to avoid causing panic among the world's population. Many websites and articles continue to be written about Planet X that spread lies. They say it only MAY exist and comes around only once every few million years IF it does. This disinformation is widespread. X orbits between our sun and its dark twin. A diagram from the 1987 NEW SCIENCE & INVENTION ENCYCLOPEDIA shows our dead twin sun & the 10th planet.

X's MASS, MAGNETISM & DENSITY is such that it DISRUPTS the surface of EVERY PLANET IT PASSES. In fact, history shows approximately 7 YEARS PRIOR to its passage its far reaching eletromagnetic/gravitational influence changes Earths core flows TRIGGERING WEATHER, VOLCANIC & SEISMIC ACTIVITY. Since early 1996 traditional WEATHER has CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, breaking all time records regularly. The up-tick of QUAKES, VOLCANIC INCIDENTS & changes in ELECTROMAGNETICS are being kept out of the media as much as possible. Weather alone can falsely be blamed on global warming & sun cycles but not earths rumblings at the same time.

Research the advent of PLANET X and the cataclysms it will trigger by passing EARTH. Being prepared and FOREWARNED gives one an EXCELLENT CHANCE to SURVIVE.

"BLINDSIDED, PLANET X Passes in 2003, EARTHCHANGES!"

Even the majority of the earthchange intuitives prophecies are tied into or name Planet X.

ALL OTHER NEWS PALES IN COMPARISON TO THIS IMPENDING MEGA WORLD WIDE EVENT OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS.

For more information:
http://www.metatech.org/planet_x_nib...h_changes.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/preparation2003
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SpiritualPrep2003
http://www.planetx2003.f2s.com/

[ This Message was edited by: brownpau on 2001-11-13 03:00 ]

Iain Lambert · #3 (**permalink**) 13-November-2001, 10:07 AM

You've got to love a Planet X thats actually + shaped, don't you? This is just so confused and self-contradictory I don't know where to start. The article about the Kuiper Belt Object clearly states how its a Sun-orbiter, not some bizarre 'dark-sun' orbiter that swings past every now and then. But then something that regularly goes past in this way would be orbiting the Sun, wouldn't it?

"X's MASS, MAGNETISM & DENSITY is such that it DISRUPTS the surface of EVERY PLANET IT PASSES"

Oh really? Without perturbing the orbit of the planet? Thats one clever object.

"ALL OTHER NEWS PALES IN COMPARISON TO THIS IMPENDING MEGA WORLD WIDE EVENT OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS"

Rather a bad day for a statement like this, I fear.

Finally, I realise that I'm making an ad hominem attack just like their appeal to authority, but I never trust a prophet who can't control their caps keys.

Kaptain K · #4 (**permalink**) 13-November-2001, 03:09 PM

For more than you would EVER want to know about Nibiru (i.e. Dark Star), go here:
http://members.madasafish.com/~andy3751/
FWIW Crank.net lists this site as "cranky".
From a brief perusal, it appears to have been updated since I waded through it last spring. I am not masochist enough to do it again.

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The Curtmudgeon · #5 (**permalink**) 13-November-2001, 05:36 PM

I have to admit to having read all of Sitchin's books (to date), and enjoying them immensely. WAIT! Before you start calling the men in white, I didn't say I believed them. I just think he's got a very vivid imagination and a great way of writing sci-fi/fantasy so that it reads almost like real science. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

His explanations of Nibiru have changed enough over the years that I'm not too worried about this prediction. He's just trying to drum up sales again, possibly with a new book or two to be released. It'll all blow over the way that 5/5/2000 book did last year (yes, I realise that wasn't his). Then a couple of years after he'll come up with a new twist on Nibiru.

The (his books are much better than The Wonderful Mushroom Planet I read as a child) Curtmudgeon

ToSeek · #6 (**permalink**) 14-November-2001, 12:50 PM

Oh, come on! Nothing could be better than the Mushroom Planet books! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

Kaptain K · #7 (**permalink**) 14-November-2001, 03:50 PM

Books? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] There was more than one? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]

ToSeek · #8 (**permalink**) 14-November-2001, 04:38 PM

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On 2001-11-14 11:50, Kaptain K wrote:
Books? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] There was more than one? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]

The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet (1954)
Stowaway to the Mushroom Planet (1956)
Mr. Bass' Planetoid (1958)
Mystery for Mr.Bass (1960)
Time and Mr.Bass (1967)

Eleanor Cameron bibliography

Mr. X · #9 (**permalink**) 14-November-2001, 05:01 PM

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The Dark Star Theory takes a radical new look at the mythology regarding the 'Winged Disc'. This Mesopotamian and Ancient Egyptian symbol denotes the presence in our solar system of the Sun's dark sister, a failed star classified as a 'brown dwarf'.

This Dark Companion of the Sun seems to have its own habitable planetary system, home to the mythical 'gods' of the ancient world.

Ahhhh! The Gods are aliens!

For almighty and superpowerful gods sounds to me like they have to cope with a rather crappy situation.

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Our history and our destiny are tied to this dark star 'Nibiru', and an analysis of the myths, regarding this massive unseen 'planet', provides us with remarkable insights about the appearance of the Messianic Star two millennia ago.

Gentlemen, I propose we destroy Nibiru [Robert Redford style] and all its crazy orbiting critters.

Let's just see how those powerful Gods deal with thermonuclear devices! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]

The Curtmudgeon · #10 (**permalink**) 14-November-2001, 06:44 PM

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The Dark Star Theory takes a radical new look at the mythology regarding the 'Winged Disc'. This Mesopotamian and Ancient Egyptian symbol denotes the presence in our solar system of the Sun's dark sister, a failed star classified as a 'brown dwarf'.

Yep, that's one of the things I love about Sitchin's writing: take a perfectly ordinary ancient symbol (the winged disk), with a perfectly obvious meaning that is consistent in every single occurence (the sun), and say, "Well, that's too bloody obvious so it must be wrong. What else could it be? Oh, it must be a dark sun!!" I mean, there's not one person in a million who would have had the breadth of imagination to have come up with that one. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] The man's simply a genius, and we should all acknowledge it.

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This Dark Companion of the Sun seems to have its own habitable planetary system, home to the mythical 'gods' of the ancient world.

And those would be the mythical gods of the ancient world like Ammerasu? Odin? Coyote? Rainbow Serpent? Hermes? Kali? Pele? Ba'al?

Oh, only the mythical gods of the ancient Mesopotamian world. Sorry, my bad.

The (a gold star if you identify all the pantheons) Curtmudgeon

Matherly · #11 (**permalink**) 14-November-2001, 07:07 PM

Hmmm...

Well Coyote is Coyote. The great trickster needs no steenkin' pantheon.

Pele... Volcano goddess of the indiginous people of Hawaii?

Kali... er... thoughts of murder come to mind... d'oh can't come up with it.

Odin One-Eye is of course from the Norse.

Rainbow Serpent... no idea but instinct tell me South American...

Hermes was Zeus' messenger in the Greek pantheon

I think Ba'al is actually a title meaning ruler, not a God, but it was used extensivly to indicated the ruler of a pantheon that was worshiped by... er... d'oh can't remember.

Ammerasu? No clue on that one.

I am a font of useless knowledge

Russ · #12 (**permalink**) 14-November-2001, 08:03 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but I find the fact that people like this guy are getting published ANYWHERE, is VERY unnerving. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

I know, I know! Lay off the caps and bolding. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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The Curtmudgeon · #13 (**permalink**) 14-November-2001, 08:22 PM

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On 2001-11-14 15:07, Matherly wrote:
Hmmm...

Well Coyote is Coyote. The great trickster needs no steenkin' pantheon.

Perhaps not, but he's a part of the Navaho/Hopi pantheon(s) (perhaps other southwestern AmerIndian tribes as well).

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Pele... Volcano goddess of the indiginous people of Hawaii?

Bingo. Although 'indiginous' is perhaps a misnomer (like 'Native American'): the Polynesians arrived in Hawai'i only a few (six or eight at the most) centuries before the Europeans. [Muttered aside: Mount Pelee is a volcano in the Caribbean (Martinique?). Where the heck did _they_ get the name?]

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Kali... er... thoughts of murder come to mind... d'oh can't come up with it.

You certainly were on the right track, as she was the goddess of the Thuggees in India, and appears in the Hindu pantheon.

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Odin One-Eye is of course from the Norse.

That's two. See also The Sorrow of Odin the Goth, my favourite of the Manse Everard stories by the late, great Poul Anderson.

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Rainbow Serpent... no idea but instinct tell me South American...

Nope, Native Australian (aborigine). Well, saying that is like saying "Native American", as far as pantheons go: there's not truly a single aborigine pantheon just like there's not a single aborigine tribe. But I don't know the specific tribal name(s), so we'll go with just 'Native Aussie', if you don't mind.

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Hermes was Zeus' messenger in the Greek pantheon

That's three, but it was pretty easy after all (I almost left out the Greek pantheon since it was so easy).

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I think Ba'al is actually a title meaning ruler, not a God, but it was used extensivly to indicated the ruler of a pantheon that was worshiped by... er... d'oh can't remember.

Well, the name appears as a combining form also, but alone is usually used for the sky and/or mountain god of the Canaanite pantheon.

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Ammerasu? No clue on that one.

Japanese; she's the Sun Goddess from whom the Emperor was supposed to be descended. I'll confess that I'm not sure I got the spelling right on this one.

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I am a font of useless knowledge

Consider yourself refilled to overflowing. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

The (just wasting time waiting on a sysgen) Curtmudgeon

David Hall · #14 (**permalink**) 14-November-2001, 10:46 PM

The correct form is Amaterasu.

The Curtmudgeon · #15 (**permalink**) 15-November-2001, 06:23 PM

Thanx! I was thinking that I had dropped a 't' somewhere.

'he Cur'mudgeon

The Rat · #16 (**permalink**) 16-November-2001, 02:04 AM

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What do you folks think?

Here's the 'official' website (ACK! Gag sputter barf...)

http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/

YEEEEEEESH!! (Eyes bug out, head shakes, strange noises are heard...)

The Curtmudgeon · #17 (**permalink**) 16-November-2001, 07:20 PM

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On 2001-11-15 22:04, The Rat wrote:

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What do you folks think?

Here's the 'official' website (ACK! Gag sputter barf...)

http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/

Hey, bartender! I'll have what the lady in the green is having! Must be some pretty powerful stuff--homemade Connemara poitin only makes me see bright coloured stars and discuss Finnegan's Wake with strangers.

The (Finnegan used to hear voices, too) Curtmudgeon

Lisa · #18 (**permalink**) 16-November-2001, 08:40 PM

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On 2001-11-15 22:04, The Rat wrote:

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What do you folks think?

Here's the 'official' website (ACK! Gag sputter barf...)

http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/

YEEEEEEESH!! (Eyes bug out, head shakes, strange noises are heard...)

I only read one article, "The Human/Reptile Conflict". Um yeah sure. Makes sense to me. ::rustling sounds of rolling papers::
Lisa

Mr. X · #19 (**permalink**) 16-November-2001, 09:52 PM

That is terrible at best.

It's at times like these I wish I was a psychiatrist.

Still young, maybe I'll be one, the world needs desperate help.

My diagnostic: INSANE.
Treatment: Electroshock therapy.
2nd Course of action: The Mister X chamber for 30 years. Solitary confinement. 24 hours a day in darkness, constant shocking, and ice cold water. For a total of 10 957,5 consecutive days.
Ocasionally extremely disturbing images are projected with disturbing sounds.
Theory: Since it would make a sane person insane it should therefore make an insane person sane.

Tada, my cure. I would be a great psychiatrist! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

Kaptain K · #20 (**permalink**) 17-November-2001, 09:02 AM

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It's at times like these I wish I was a psychiatrist.
Still young, maybe I'll be one, the world needs desperate help.

Unless you intend to go through four years of medical school to get an M.D. and then more classes for the equivalent of a Ph.D., I would suggest you shoot for psychologist.

Mr. X · #21 (**permalink**) 17-November-2001, 03:17 PM

I don't fear that.

And I could become a M.D. if my grades in biology weren't so damn low!
Biology = my worst subject = I don't know squat in biology.

That and I hate biology.