...or is that a hyperspacial vortex...

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Hoagland's talent is the gift of gab. And, he's actually pretty intelligent. His problem is that he's uneducated. Its sort of like giving a firearm to someone untrained to use one. Sure, he can pull the trigger, but he's just as apt to shoot his foot as he is to hit the target.

Hoagland is living proof that people can be self-taught to believe almost anything, no matter how ridiculous.

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I couldn't live with myself. Perhaps it would be better as a sci fi story.

I was thinking that earth has a equatorial bulge due to its rotation and this means a stress on the crust that would be at max at the equator. If Iapetus is also rotating(obviously it does but slowly compared to Earth) such stresses would also be present there, tidal stresses from Saturn would also be greatest at the equator I believe. Therefore give the equatorial region a big ol' smack from a meteorite (correct term off Earth?) and voila a crack that propagates around the equator. The flaw perhaps, (shhhh :wink: ) is that one half need not telescope completly all the way around the moon. In some places it should be a subduction of the north under the south and in others, where side faults occur it could reverse and have the south subduct under the north.

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I still don't understand why Iapetus is 17th of the Saturnian Moons! I do note though that the nine planets site lists it after 16 other moons. Hyperion is 16th and Titan is 15th so it is not by mass or alphabetical order.

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Wouldn't be an order by discovery, either. Maybe position out from Saturn?

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Hoagland is going to try and tout his Iapetus "discoveries" on Coast to Coast tonight. But it look like his personal stock is slipping - he's only getting the first hour....not sure he can relate anything in such a short time

Allow me to introduce my new breakfast cereal:

"Hyperdimensional Hoagies"

Hot air filled puffs of corn surrounded by a transparent coating of sugar and arsenic.

Hyperdimensional Hoagies are especially loved by those who will swallow anything without the bother of checkng whether or not it is good for them. The nutritional value is questionable, but the sugar makes you feel GOOD just as you.................

8-[

C.

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At times I believe George Noory books Hoagland out of shear desperation. Coast To Coast has an "A" line of guests who are captivating, articulate, and fluent in the ability to speak effortlessly on a moments notice. Phil Plait is one with his encyclopedic knowledge of astronomy and his easy self-deprecating humour and style. But as any C2C listener can attest, there is a sharp negative slope in the quality of guests after one exhausts this top tier.

Guests on C2C suddenly forget that English is their mother tongue. They stutter, they stammer; the simple act of formulating a sentence is beyond the scope of their humble human language skills. Couple that with some of the topics-- this past week Noory had a woman in telepathic contact with Keiko the Killer whale and other house pets--well one can see how George arrives at his booking decision of Richard C. Hoagland.

A Great Wall Of China on Iapetus? Is a satellite of Saturn actually a mondo-huge extra-terrestrial version of the upcoming Airbus A380? Well, if you had to drag and coach countless babbling "happy acres" loonies through three hours of syndicating radio each night wouldn't you beg and plead for the articlate slight-of-hand of Richard C. Hoagland? At least he knows he's selling snake oil. :roll:

Oh please tell me this was a joke.

Because the "hyperdemension" can't be seen, heard or cooked on a charcoal grill. Without his hyperdeminsional reasoning he would have to use facts. That would substantially decrease his income.

Give him credit. I wouldn't hear about some of this stuff if he wasn't trying to sell it.

I think that the key part of the word is in the first four letters...

If only it were in jest... This woman even has a website www.keikospeaks.com. No sarcastic comments about wasted bandwidth as I am still too much in shock. Her name is Bonnie Hunt.

I noticed in one of the taglines NASA/ESA - somebody - commented on the hexagonal shape of the some of the larger craters.

Are the hexagonal craters real, or another jpegish artifact?

I would be more impressed with Haggi's aliens if there were some obvious motive for building a wall three times the height of Everest. This would not be the first thing on my list, if I had the technology and time to do it.

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It's a big universe out there...is it really unwinding, really burning out?

Hoagie is the expert when it comes to things hyperdimensional. It's rumored he's going to expand the categories of items for sale at his site to include this new product line:

Regular Hoagie



Hyperhoagie Class One



Hyperhoagie Class Two



Hyperhoagie of the Third Kind



Hyperhoagie Class Four



Hyperhoagie in the Fifth Dimension (just ask for "Up, up, and away!")



Preliminary marketing slogan:

Note: there will a surcharge for any Hyperhoagies made with alligator tail or other reptilian ingredients.

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Great pictures Maksutov! =D>

Also, I'm sure that the caloric content of a "Hyperdimensional Hoagie" is far, far less than that of those common submarine sandwiches. Imagine the marketing possibilities there, "Don't be a Hog, eat 'Hyperdimensional Hoagies' and look like a mere shadow of your former self!". Big bucks to be made here, folks!

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Hyperdimensional hoagies are exactly 19.5 inches long!

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And on a related note...

Paranoidlia

Description

Paranoidlia is a type of illusion involving the misidentification of random planetary features as being objects crafted by otherworldly intelligence, and then attributing the "cover up" of said misidentification to some sort of conspiracy theory. Examples include Richard C. Hoagland's Face On Mars, Richard C. Hoagland's Iapetus analysis and Richard C. Hoagland's personal vendetta against MSSS' Michael Malin. While Hoagland's paranoidlia "skills" are second to none, others may also easily find familiar patterns in meaningless images created by random and chaotic forces and attribute their lack of recognition by the rest of humanity to agencies such as NASA, JPL, the CIA, NSA, "New World Order", and/or "Illuminati". This phenomenon can also provide an alternative explanation for many apparently unusual events, such as UFO sightings, chemtrails, 9-11, and the "fixing" or "stealing" of Presidential elections in America. In a sense paranoidlia is not a misrepresentation because there is no objectively valid interpretation for those afflicted. Once the interpretation is fixed in the mind it might be impossible to see something else. In a clinical environment psychologists encourage paranoidlia by showing patients photos of various moons in the solar system to gauge their reaction. (now known as the Hoagland Test). The accepted course of treatment for paranoidlia is a straitjacket and padded room, or, in extreme instances, public ridicule and scorn.

http://communities.anomalies.net/cgi...5;t=007348;p=3

HOAGLAND UPDATE! #-o

Iapetus is not only a construct of alien origin...

Lucas is in cahoots too!

Woohoo it's a stealth moon!

And wow - the Death Star and Iapetus are exactly the same size - what are the odds of that??

I NEVER cease to be amazed by the "creativity" of "this man" as he butchers other people's ideas (fact and fiction) in an "attempt" to stir up some "bogus" NASA "conspiracy theory".

(RCH never met an HTML text tag he didn't like either)

IF Hyper Hoagies have Alligator Meat, will that cure "Reptile Dysfunction"???, or only on the 19th of the month at high noon??

Dale in Ala

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Could this be the astronomical equivalent of Aaron Burr vs. Alexander Hamilton? Allow me to explain.

Last night on C2C Hoagland, who has recently taken to calling the show at will, burst in with a brief but furious rebuttal against BA, at one point sardonically describing Phil as "the aptly named Bad Astronomer." Having seen and heard Hoagland in person I know for a fact that his ego is only just below that of Donald Trump; the cliche Legend In His Own Mind is more than fitting. What I am just beginning to realize however is just how much of an enabler host George Noory is.

After Hoagland hung up and the show went on with still another wacky guest- a woman into Numerology with a complex formula sure to mystify the chairman of any university mathmatics department- Richard C. managed to get on the program again! How? Just as the Numerologist was curing countless cases of insomnia, George Noory burst in with the announcement "Richard Hoagland is Fast-Blasting me!" What could be so dire and urgent that the great one had to use this communication vehicle to contact the host of C2C?

"Richard's printer can't download from Space.com." At long last a conspiracy worthy of note. From the nocturnal bowels of Albuquerque suburbia Hoagland had ferreted out a truly monumental and covert conspiracy aimed solely at him and his computer printer. Intelligent machines at Space.com were denying him information, collectively banding against him as if to say, "yes Richard, upon further reflection we agree, you ARE an idiot."

In parting Richard C. Hoagland will be on for four, count them, four hours this coming Wednesday on Coast To Coast.

I heard Hoagland's outburst on C2C last night as well. Frankly, I thought the numerologist was more amusing. I hope you put an "8" in your wallet.

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I thought that RCH was uncouth and obviously ****ed off, if he wants to be considered rational, he might want to calm down and cease this sort of thing, as if it would repair his flakey epistemology.

I was told that a symptom of psychopathology was "Neologism", and I was wondering if invoking "Hyperdimensional Physics" was such an occurance??

As for the Numerologist, only someone lacking in rational mentation would take that stuff seriously......but I put an "8" in my wallet just in case!!!

Dale in Ala

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FOUR hours Wednesday?

Well, once you take out all the time for ads, it's about two hours, and Hoagie can blather on for that long standing on his head with his feet being tickled by little green men.

After a ten minute self-written bio, he'll drone on about his Iapetus investigation step-by-excruciating-step for the first couple of hours, reach his "devastating" conclusion in the third (stealth moons and NASA conspiracy no. 234) then take a couple of phone calls.

Easy!

Don't forget an extra ten minutes begging people to insist he become head of NASA

Hoagie can blather. I was at a conference in L.A. where his long-winded circumlocution to the finale had in the good people at the Hilton hotel nearly resorting to grappling hooks and butterfly nets in order to get him offstage. I've seldom heard such eloquence and such utter and complete B.S. from the mouth of one man.

While nothing can probably be done to curb the manner and tone of Hoagland, we do have an opportunity to educate George Norry.

I propose that the members of this board send George mail outlining the more horrific errors Hoagland makes and offer some small ray of sanity.

I do not think it will remove Hoagland from Coast to Coast, it is, after all, a commercial enterprise and the producers obviously feel that Hoagland appeals to their target audience.

But if Geroge can be educated perhaps the small sliver of sanity may be injected with harder and more probing questions.

I have to stress it is vitally important that all such communications be both polte and respectful. Once again, POLITE AND RESPECTFUL. The members of this forum are, for the most part, professional scientists and engineers with a far keener understanding and appreciation for scientific method than the public at large. Stick to the facts.

George Norry can be emailed at george@coasttocoastam.com

During the show fast blast messages can be sent via the Coast to Coast web site.

While I don't think it will make the slightest difference to Hoagland, George may get the message that while Hoagland may make a great guest, treating him as a responcible scientist is a terrible error.

Hoaxland has been spewing outrageous claims for 20+ years. His "investigations" must have some degree of credibility because NASA has been interested in his research several times over the years. For the most part he thrives off of controversy. Noory should know this as a radio show host.

I agree, but sometimes he has a point, when he applies rational methods, but he always jumping off the deep end and he really loves conspiracies!!!

There could be something on the moon and mars, but stick to the evidence, it does not help to bring in the Deus ex machina to explain the lack of evidence!

Dale in Ala

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