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Old 19-February-2005, 08:18 PM
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I was thinking, you know how they say if all the chinese would jump at the same time, it would create a gigantic earthquake? It never sounds realistic. But around 1 biliion chinese and an average weight of 50 kilograms- that would be 50 million tons, 50,000,000,000 kilograms. That a lot. What about all of southeast asia including India? That's over 3 biliion! 150,000,000,000 kilograms! I wonder if the chinese feel thretend from nuclear weapons by America, they could just bump the americans off of Earth!
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Probably not, I imagine the USGS could detect any such attempts, but your talking about F=ma, with about a tenth of a second of acceleration. Would someone notice? You betcha, but I wouldn't go reinforcing the foundations over it.

Other factors for consideration: Soil density (rock versus rice patty), overall area of distribution (I was once told a billion people could stand shoulder to shoulder, front to back, in the about the same amount of area that exists in the state of Rhode Island.) Compact them too much, and they're more likely to be a danger to themselves than someone on the other side of the world.
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Cecil Adams has addressed this, although not very seriously:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_155.html

And I heard that the U.S. Government did some research into the question, but I'm not sure that's true.
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(I was once told a billion people could stand shoulder to shoulder, front to back, in the about the same amount of area that exists in the state of Rhode Island.)
I heard you could fit the entire world's population in the state of Texas.
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I heard you could fit the entire world's population in the state of Texas.
I'd love to have the contract for the protable toilets if they ever try to put everyone in Texas. And with the reputation that Texas has for their chile, I'd make a fortune.
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(I was once told a billion people could stand shoulder to shoulder, front to back, in the about the same amount of area that exists in the state of Rhode Island.)
I heard you could fit the entire world's population in the state of Texas.
Heck, I could fit them all in Rhode Island... if I was allowed to stack them...
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I was thinking, you know how they say if all the chinese would jump at the same time, it would create a gigantic earthquake? It never sounds realistic. But around 1 biliion chinese and an average weight of 50 kilograms- that would be 50 million tons, 50,000,000,000 kilograms. That a lot. What about all of southeast asia including India? That's over 3 biliion! 150,000,000,000 kilograms! I wonder if the chinese feel thretend from nuclear weapons by America, they could just bump the americans off of Earth!
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50,000,000,000 kg sounds like a lot when you look at it. But the Earth weighs 120 trillion times more at 6*10^24 kg.

So the Earth would only accelerate 1/120 trillionth as much as the people I guess.
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I was thinking, you know how they say if all the chinese would jump at the same time, it would create a gigantic earthquake? It never sounds realistic. But around 1 biliion chinese and an average weight of 50 kilograms- that would be 50 million tons, 50,000,000,000 kilograms. That a lot. What about all of southeast asia including India? That's over 3 biliion! 150,000,000,000 kilograms! I wonder if the chinese feel thretend from nuclear weapons by America, they could just bump the americans off of Earth!
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Err......lets look at numbers....
3.bil people at 100kg each weigh as much as a cube of Earth a mere 500meter on its side, where earth's density is taken as 2e3kg/m^3.

Suppose you were feeling more adventurous, and you were to, say, drop those same 3bil people from a height, of say, 1km. The energy released would be order of magnitude 10^15J.
Now, if you look here on Wikipedia , you'll notice that the energy released by the recent 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was of magnitude 10^20J. Hence, the falling people don't even make a whimper, as they release 100000 times less energy.

The Chinese, Indians, Europeans, Russians, Americans, or the whole planet altoghether, can jump all they want. They just don't matter!


edited 03/04 to say that dropping 500m cubes of earth from 1km height will result in a ~5.6 magnitude earthquake 8-[
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(I was once told a billion people could stand shoulder to shoulder, front to back, in the about the same amount of area that exists in the state of Rhode Island.)
I heard you could fit the entire world's population in the state of Texas.
By my calculations, that would result in a population density of about 9200 people per km^2, which is a bit less than the current population density of New York City.
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Well, we could all just Stand on Zanzibar. No need for Texas or Rhode Island then :P
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You could see some effects, if they all jumped together from a couple of thousand feet high without parachutes...
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No need for Rhode Island! Where would I get my Quahogs from and where would Family Guy live?!?
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But if they all flushed simultaneously: Tsunami!
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3.bil people at 100kg each weigh as much as a cube of Earth a mere 500meter on its side, where earth's density is taken as 2e3kg/m^3.
100kg You have obviously never been to China. I bet there aren't a million of them that come close to weighing 100kg. That would be 220 lbs. Yao Ming may weigh that much. I'll estimate that I've seen about 10,000 chinese and not one looked like they weighed anywhere near 220 lbs.

I could be wrong but my estimate for the chinese "average weight" is between 70 & 75 kg. (154-165lbs.) So you may want to revise your estimate.
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Last I heard, I think the average weight for men in the United States (land of the fat and home of the blubbery) was in the 85-90 kg range, so yeah, 100 kg is probably a bit too high for the average Chinese adult.
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Err......lets look at numbers....
3.bil people at 100kg each weigh as much as a cube of Earth a mere 500meter on its side, where earth's density is taken as 2e3kg/m^3.
100kg You have obviously never been to China. I bet there aren't a million of them that come close to weighing 100kg. That would be 220 lbs. Yao Ming may weigh that much. I'll estimate that I've seen about 10,000 chinese and not one looked like they weighed anywhere near 220 lbs.

I could be wrong but my estimate for the chinese "average weight" is between 70 & 75 kg. (154-165lbs.) So you may want to revise your estimate.
hehe.......mathematically speaking, it was an upper bound coupled with a strong safety factor
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Err......lets look at numbers....
3.bil people at 100kg each weigh as much as a cube of Earth a mere 500meter on its side, where earth's density is taken as 2e3kg/m^3.
100kg You have obviously never been to China. I bet there aren't a million of them that come close to weighing 100kg. That would be 220 lbs. Yao Ming may weigh that much. I'll estimate that I've seen about 10,000 chinese and not one looked like they weighed anywhere near 220 lbs.

I could be wrong but my estimate for the chinese "average weight" is between 70 & 75 kg. (154-165lbs.) So you may want to revise your estimate.
I estimated 50 KG. I include men, women, children, babies, and sumo wreslers...
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If i'm not mistaken, if one object will bump into 2 objects right next to eachother, it will inflict that motion to the third object. No matter the wheight of the second (middle) object.

00 <--0
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Am I right?
If so, no matter how big Earth is, the far east will inflict 150 billion Kg. to Americans. Therefore- bumping the Americans off of Earth!
(don't you feel safe now?)
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I estimated 50 KG. I include men, women, children, babies, and sumo wreslers...
Darn, you beat me to it. I was trying to find a sumo wrestler smilie, too.

I think sumo's are primarily Japanese, though, but still funny.
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If i'm not mistaken, if one object will bump into 2 objects right next to eachother, it will inflict that motion to the third object. No matter the wheight of the second (middle) object.

00 <--0
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Am I right?
If so, no matter how big Earth is, the far east will inflict 150 billion Kg. to Americans. Therefore- bumping the Americans off of Earth!
(don't you feel safe now?)
I believe North America is roughly opposite the Indian Ocean, not China. Parts of South America may be opposite China, however. So, according to your idea, every time someone drops a bowling ball in China, a small dog is tossed into the air in Brazil.

Fascinating!

Edit: Could this be the explanation for potholes???
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...every time someone drops a bowling ball in China, a small dog is tossed into the air in Brazil.
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The Chinese thing is pure rubbish.

I am quite sure a bowling ball would cause a poodle to become a mexican jumping bean... if the Earth were absolutely solid.

Otherwise you have to take the laws of thermodynamics and physics into effect before you assume the Chinese could do anything but sprain a billion ankles by jumping off their chairs.

Much of their energy would be dispersed as heat energy. The surface they jump on would have to be considered as well. if they are in their house and jump on the foundation. the foundation would spread the shock out to nothing. Is the foundation on dirt? Is the dirt covering rock, sand, water?

If you fused all the Chinese into a ball and slammed them into the Earth at 14,000 mph that might make you spill your drink.
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The Chinese thing is pure rubbish.
We know. Even back with my statement, there's a world of difference between detection and any catastrophic event.
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If you fused all the Chinese into a ball and slammed them into the Earth at 14,000 mph that might make you spill your drink.
Aaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeek! There is a commie Chinese conspiricy to make me spill my Canadian Hunter on the rocks! :roll: :-? :wink:
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Oh, but the Chinese are making the Earth quake.

With their Long March rocket family, that is:
http://www.astronautix.com/lvfam/lonmarch.htm
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Oh, but the Chinese are making the Earth quake.

With their Long March rocket family, that is:
http://www.astronautix.com/lvfam/lonmarch.htm
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I estimated 50 KG. I include men, women, children, babies, and sumo wreslers...
Ahem... :roll: Sumo is a Japanese thiing so they don't count in this equation. :wink:
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I estimated 50 KG. I include men, women, children, babies, and sumo wreslers...
Darn, you beat me to it. I was trying to find a sumo wrestler smilie, too.

I think sumo's are primarily Japanese, though, but still funny.
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