Is this actually a theory or just to much peace pipe

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...orm_could.html

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Have any of the other impending calamities you've asked about, really been worth fretting?

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Well, there are three separate phenomena sort of loosely stapled together in that article.

1. White dwarf nova: "It takes more than 100 thousand years for enough hydrogen to fall onto the white dwarf and accumulate as a thick layer on the surface. When the layer exceeds its critical mass, thermonuclear fusion of hydrogen to helium occurs, creating a cosmic-sized hydrogen bomb blast. The outer layers of the white dwarf are blown away, producing a nova outburst that can be observed for a period of months as the material expands into space." Reference

2. Interstellar gas clouds, typically hydrogen at densities of 1 to 1000 molecules per cubic centimeter. See here for info

3. The Mayan calendar. See here. "The Long Count is really a mixed base-20/base-18 representation of a number, representing the number of days since the start of the Mayan era." Mixed base 20 and base 18 numbers? I did not know that.

Now, the first two things are not really closely related. As far as I know white dwarfs drifting through interstellar gas clouds do not go nova; the only mention of this kind of nova refers to dwarfs that take material from a red-giant companion. And as far as I know main-sequence stars like the Sun are not known to go nova when they drift through interstellar gas clouds.

So (again, as far as I know) the evidence that this scenario is realistic is zilch. Nada.

If the Mayans had witnessed the Sun go nova, they would not have left a record of it, and we would not be around. So they had no experience of the Sun ever having gone nova. That's impossible.

Therefore Mayans had no way other than Magickal Pooooowers to guess that the Sun would go nova in the year 2012. I, personally, don't believe in Magickal Pooooowers. So I'm inclined to think the whole scenario is silly as flying cows.

Sillier, really, because I have seen video of a flying cow. It was in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and was, technically, a ballistic cow. But it was definitely airborne.

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Aw, no worries bmpbmp. The Sun ain't gonna go nova. But thanks for the query, because that bit about Mayan mathematics is interesting and was new to me.

Addendum: But I'll bet HUb' knows that curious fact about the Long Count Mayan calendar!

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Too much of something! There's an awful lot of links to commercial stuff on that page. Methinks it doth have the sound of bells on it. Cash register bells.

The end (and begining) of the Mayan calender has no more relevence than the end (or start) of a new millenium. All calendars ancient and modern are artificial constructs on which to base the year's days, religious/secular festivals and seasons. Mayan culture and agriculture was highly organised and would have needed a calendar on which to base that organisation. It has NO relevence to today, our own calendar or fantastic prophesies of doom imagined by ancient peoples and modern 'interpretations'. The universe is far more exciting and mysterious and should inspire wonder and amazement, not fear.

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Hey, the article also mentions one, "Dr. LaViolette" and his theory. Where have I heard about this guy before? Here's his theory in a "nutshell" (ironic):

Any thoughts on this one?

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http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/GRB.html

Here is are La Violette's insights as applied to the Dec 26, 2005 Asian Tsunami:

Was the December 26, 2004 Indonesian Earthquake and Tsunami
Caused by a Stellar Explosion 45,000 Light Years Away?
Sound Crazy? Read Carefully Below.

Gamma Ray Bursts, Gravity Waves, and Earthquakes

On December 26, 2004 a magnitude 9.3 earthquake occurred in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Sumatra in Malaysia. It caused a powerful tsunami which devastated coastal regions of many countries leaving over 240,000 people either dead or missing. It was the worst tsunami to affect this area since the explosion of Krakatoa. The earthquake that produced it was so strong that it exceeded by a factor of 10 the next most powerful earthquake to occur in the past 25 years.

• Indonesian 9.3 Richter earthquake:
December 26, 2004 at 00 hours 58 minutes (Universal Time)

It is then with some alarm that we learn that just 44.6 hours later gamma ray telescopes orbiting the Earth picked up the arrival of the brightest gamma ray burst ever recorded!

• Gamma ray burst arrival:
December 27, 2004 at 21 hours 36 minutes (Universal Time)



This gamma ray blast was 100 times more intense than any burst that had been previously recorded, equaling the brightness of the full Moon, but radiating most of its energy at gamma ray wavelengths. Gamma ray counts spiked to a maximum in 1.5 seconds and then declined over a 5 minute period with 7.57 second pulsations. The blast temporarily changed the shape the Earth's ionosphere, distorting the transmission of long-wavelength radio signals. See stories on Space.com, BBC News, NY TImes.


Artists conception, courtesy of NASA

It was determined that the burst originated from the soft gamma ray repeater star, SGR 1806-20, a neutron star 20 kilometers in diameter which rotates once every 7.5 seconds, matching the GRB pulsation period. SGR 1806-20 is located about 10 degrees northeast of the Galactic center and about 45,000 light years from us, or about twice as far away as the Galactic center. It released more energy in a tenth of a second than the Sun emits in 100,000 years. Other gamma ray bursts have been detected whose explosions were intrinsically more powerful than this one at the source of the explosion, but since those explosions originated in other galaxies tens of thousands of times more distant, the bursts were not nearly as bright when they reached our solar system. What makes the December 27th gamma ray burst unique is that it is the first time that a burst this bright has been observed, one that also happens to originate from within our own Galaxy.

Astronomers have theorized that gamma ray bursts might travel in association with gravity wave bursts. In the course of their flight through space, gamma rays would be deflected by gravitational fields and would be scattered by dust and cosmic ray particles they encountered, so they would be expected to travel slightly slower than their associated gravity wave burst which would pass through space unimpeded. After a 45,000 year light-speed journey, a gamma ray burst arrival delay of 44.6 hours would not be unexpected. It amounts to a delay of just one part in 9 million. So if the gravity wave traveled at the speed of light (c), the gamma ray burst would have averaged a speed of 0.99999989 c, just 0.11 millionths slower. There is also the possibility that at the beginning of its journey the gravity wave may have had a superluminal speed; see textbox below.


Artist's conception, courtesy of NASA

The 9.3 Richter earthquake was ten times stronger than any other earthquake during the past 25 years, and was followed just 44.6 hours later on December 27th by a very intense gamma ray burst, which was 100 fold brighter than any other in the past 25 year history of gamma ray observation. It seems difficult to pass off the temporal proximity of these two Class I events as being just a matter of coincidence. A time period of 25 years compared to a time separation of 44.6 hours amounts to a time ratio of about 5000:1. For two such unique events to have such a close time proximity is highly improbable if they are not somehow related. But, as mentioned above, gravity waves would very likely be associated with gamma ray bursts, and they would be expected to precede them.

Many have inquired if there might be a connection between these two events (e.g., see the Space.com article). Not thinking of the gravity wave connection, astronomers have been reluctant to admit there might be a connection since they know of no mechanism by which gamma rays by themselves could trigger earthquakes. They admit that the December 27th gamma ray burst had slightly affected the ionization state of the Earth's atmosphere, but this by itself should not have caused earthquakes. However, if a longitudinal gravity potential wave pulse were to accompany a gamma ray burst, the mystery becomes resolved. The connection between earthquakes and gamma ray bursts now becomes plausible.

In his 1983 Ph.D. dissertation, Paul LaViolette called attention to terrestrial dangers of Galactic core explosions, pointing out that the arrival of the cosmic ray superwave they produced would be signaled by a high intensity gamma ray burst which would also generate EMP effects (e.g., see Page 3). He also noted that a strong gravity wave might be expected to travel forward at the forefront of this superwave and might be the first indication of a superwave's arrival. He pointed out that such gravity waves could induce substantial tidal forces on the Earth during their passage which could induce earthquakes and cause polar axis torquing effects. In his book Earth Under Fire (as well as in his dissertation), he presents evidence showing that the superwave that passed through the solar system around 14,200 years ago had triggered supernova explosions as it swept through the Galaxy. Among these were the Vela and Crab supernova explosions whose explosion dates align with this superwave event horizon. He points out that these explosions could be explained if a gravity wave accompanied this superwave, it could have produced tidal forces which could have triggered unstable stars to explode as it passed through.

He wrote at a time when gamma ray bursts had just begun to be discovered, and when no one was concerned with them as potential terrestrial hazards. In recent years scientific opinion has come around to adopt LaViolette's concern, as can be seen in news articles discussing the SGR 1806-20 gamma ray outburst, e.g., see Space.com news story. They note that if this gamma ray burst had been as close as 10 light years it would have completely destroyed the ozone layer. By comparison, the Galactic superwaves LaViolette has postulated to have been generated as a result of an outburst of our Galaxy's core and to have impacted the Solar system during the last ice age would have impacted the solar system with a cosmic ray electron volley having an energy intensity 100 times greater than this hypothetical 10 light year distant stellar gamma ray burst. In comparision, SGR 1806-20 has been estimated to have a stellar progenitor mass of 150 solar masses, whereas our Galactic core has a mass of 2.6 million solar masses. In its present active phase, SGR 1806-20 is estimated to have a luminosity 40 million times that of the Sun, whereas during its active phase the Galactic center could reach luminosities of 400 trillion times that of the Sun. So it is understandable that if the Galactic center were to erupt, it would produce a gamma ray burst and a gravity wave far more intense than the outburst from this star.

If anything, the December 27, 2004 gamma ray burst shows us that we do not live in a peaceful celestial environment. And if the December 26th earthquake was in fact part of this same celestial event, we see that this stellar eruption has claimed many lives. For this reason, it is important that we prepare for the possibility of even stronger events in the future, the arrival of superwaves issuing from the core of our Galaxy. Like the December 26th earthquake and the December 27th gamma ray burst, the next superwave will arrive unexpectedly. It will take us by surprise.



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As a next step, it is advisable to investigate data from gravity wave telescopes to see if a celestial gravity wave may have arrived immediately prior to the December 26, 2004 earthquake. Since seismic waves from the Indonesian earthquake would have taken some time to propagate through the Earth to these gravity wave antenna, their signature could be distinguished from the gravity wave coming from SGR 1806-20. LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravity Wave Observatory), which consists of two correlated telescopes, one in Washington and one in Louisiana, each having a 4 kilometer long laser interferometer beam path, was in the process of being made operational and unfortunately was not collecting data at that time. The TAMA gravity wave antenna in Japan may have been operational during the December time period however they apparently do not answer telephone calls and have no posted email address. So it has not been possible to contact their scientific team.

Superwave Monitoring Center

Those interested in monitoring earthquake, gamma ray burst, cosmic ray background activity, and gravity wave bursts may try the following websites:

• Current earthquakes: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs...uakes_all.html

• Past earthquakes: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/activity/past.htmlpast.html

• Gamma ray bursts: http://grad40.as.utexas.edu/grblog.php?author=D.%20Gotz

• Cosmic ray radiation intensity: http://cr0.izmiran.rssi.ru/mosc/main.htm

• Gravity wave bursts (LIGO site: no posted data, just posted papers):
http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/ and http://www.ligo.org/results/


The December 27th GRB was not accompanied by any rise in the cosmic ray background, indicating that if it was accompanied by cosmic rays their intensity was unable to exceed the relatively constant extragalactic background flux arriving from distant galaxies. A Galactic superwave, on the other hand, would most likely produce a substantial rise in these levels.

Note that almost two months passed before the December 27th gamma ray burst found its way into news media stories. If unusually intense activity were to occur in the near future as the beginning stages of a superwave arrival, it is hoped that scientists will not keep this knowledge to themselves but rather allow the global news media to disseminate the story quickly to inform the world.



A Superluminal Gravity Wave?

Experiments carried out by Eugene Podkletnov show that a shock front outburst produces a longitudinal gravitational wave that travels forward with the burst. He has found that this gravity wave pulse has a speed in excess of 64 times the speed of light (personal communication). Also Guy Obolensky has produced spark discharge electric potential shock fronts and observed them to propagate forward at speeds as high as 10 times the speed of light. Observations suggest that the gravity wave from an expanding stellar explosion will decrease its superluminal speed and eventually approach the speed of light as the shock front expands. But meanwhile, the gravity wave will have obtained a headstart over the electromagnetic wave radiation component traveling in its wake (light waves, gamma rays, etc.). So one would expect that the gravity wave from such an outburst (and its resultant earthquake activity) would precede the gamma ray burst component.

Now, BoYZ & Grrlz - Having pondered the mysteries of the December 26, 2004 Tsunami, You are ready to graduate to for Lesson 1:

As far as I can see, the following article is the key:

Exopolitics: Has the Galactic Superwave of 2012 Begun?

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...neutron_s.html

This article summarizes the evidence upon which to hypothesize that the Asian Tsunami of December 26, 2004 (Boxing Day) may have been caused by gravity waves from the Galactic Center of the Milky Way Galaxy, which accompanied a gamma ray burst caused by the explosion of a Neutron Star in the Constellation Saggitarius, some 45,000 light years from Earth. The article also summarizes analysis of whether the December 27, 2004 event may be an indicator that a cyclical Galactic Superwave event, recurrent every 13,000 and 26,000 years, may have begun. The Mayan Calendar's current TUN, or organic unit of Galactic time, ends on December 21, 2012.

According to one analyst, "both our species' recent history and that of the crust of our planet, have been both gradual and catastrophic. However, the catastrophes are of first and most immediate concern, since they relate to periodic "superwaves" or volleys of cosmic rays from the Galactic Center itself. The Galactic Center is an incredibly superdense region only about as big as the sphere enclosing Jupiter's orbit: it is about 23,000 light-years away in the constellation of Sagittarius."

THAT IS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF THE ARTICLE.

Now, tell me, is the probability of a Galactic Superwave that decimates human society 2010-2020:

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and WHY?

No dissing allowed. Only serious students need reply.

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exopolitical, are you author of the article you quoted above in your first post? If not, it is a policy here not to quote long articles, but to link to them. The page you linked does not have an explicit copyright mark, but better safe than sorry.

If you are the author, then your first post is somewhat misleading in that regard.

I will note, very politely, that we have many people come here with alternative views. Many times their ideas are attacked with delight by people here. That is how science works; an idea lives or dies on its merits. However, I have found that many people identify very strongly with their ideas, and perceive this as an attack on them.

I would strongly urge you to read this thread about non-mainstream posts here, which was written by someone who himself has some very non-mainstream theories. It may help everyone here immensely.

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Was the December 26, 2004 Indonesian Earthquake and Tsunami
Caused by a Stellar Explosion 45,000 Light Years Away?
Sound Crazy? Read Carefully Below.

BY Paul LaViolette, PhD is at:

http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/GRB.html

Exopolitical (the poster - me) is not Paul LaViolette, and I am not the author of this article.

However, the above article is based upon Paul LaViolette's research on the galactic superwave phenomenon, first established in his PhD Thesis.

Hence your distinction about "mainstream" and "non-mainstream" IS somewhat misleading, as it implies that the above article is somehow not "mainstream science."

Paul LaViolette's research is based upon mainstream science.

Just because a particular phenomenon like the galactic superwave is not widely known does not make it non-mainstream science.

Thanks

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Arrrggghh!!! If I read any more silliness about the Mayan Long Count calendar, I'm going to scream. The Long Count does end 12/23/2012 (or 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ahau 3 Kankin, to be picky), but that no more means the end of the world than our calendar hitting December 31st. The count starts over! In fact, there's an inscription (fittingly enough in the Temple of Inscriptions) stating that the king Pacal's 80th Calendar Round anniversary of his accession will be held 8 days after the first 8,000 year cycle of the Mayan calendar ends--in other words, 10/15/4772. It doesn't sound as if they thought everything would be coming to an end in 2012. Please resume the program already in progress while I go walk my pet peeve.

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Where is his degree from? I found a link offering to sell me his thesis, but I'm not buying without more information. Any reputable scientist should provide a simple bio listing his academic credentials, the degree granting institutions, and the name of his advisor at the least. The rest of the linked pages have none of this information and no bio of LaViolette, just a lot of books for sale and rampant speculation.

It isn't mainstream science. It's out there beyond the far fringe. Anyone who includes links to things like the Podkletnov gravity shield is beyond the fringe. How did Podkletnov measure the propagation speed of this longitudinal gravitational wave to be 64 times the speed of light when the most sensitive detectors have yet to even find evidence for gravity waves (although I'm confident they will.)

The idea of gamma ray bursters is mainstream. However, linking these to catastrophes is not. Just because a burster was discovered about the same time as the 04 tsunami does not mean one caused the other. That's making a classic post hoc logical error. All the page provides is a lot of hand-waving about EMP, gravity waves and other things supposedly associated with this "superwave." What's the mechanism that causes earthly catastrophe. If it caused an earthquake off Sumatra, why not in the Aleutians, or in California, or in any of the other main active seismic zones in the world? If it was an electromagnetic pulse why did my computer continue to work. Surely a pulse of that would cause an earthquake like that should have disabled every electrical system on the planet. If it was a gravity wave why didn't LIGO detect it?

No, but all of the other things wrong with it do.

You're welcome. I plan to go into this more, perhaps not with JayUtah like detail, but at least at the "the first mistake occurs in paragraph 2 of page 1" level of detail. In the meantime I leave you with the thoughts of a wise man.

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