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I remember you all talking about this person threating to sue some time ago.

She has (BBC)
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"The impact changed the magnetic properties of the comet, and this could have affected mobile telephony here on Earth. If your phone went down this morning, ask yourself Why? and then get in touch with us," says Mr Molokhov. [her lawyer]
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If your phone went down this morning, ask yourself Why? and then get in touch with us
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Just goes to show some lawyers have absolutely no...well, to be nice, compunction.

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But Judge Litvinenko opened hearings into a case which could see Nasa pay a local amateur astrologist [Marina Bay] millions of dollars in damages.
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So Ms Marina's claims to be experiencing "a moral trauma" - which only a payment of $300m (252m euros; £170m) can put right.
I say we get Buzz Aldrin to pay her a visit, so she may experience what a real trauma feels like.

Meanwhile the meter has pegged and the sirens are going off:

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Well, i think this can be quite interesting case.

As the miss WooWooo pointed out so nicely: An amateur astrologist, she believes that any variation in the orbit or the composition of the Tempel comet will certainly affect her own fate.

Well, in order to make a case and get these 300 million dollars, she basically has to prove that astrology works. That huge rocks in space somehow affect our fate. If she is unable to prove that, there is no way any sane judge in the world would continue with the case. So, if this case really goes to courtroom, it will be about astrology... i'd say her chances are near absolute zero, but it will be fun
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If I were the judge, or the defense lawyer (if there is one), I'd order/request the seizure of all her papers. Then the papers would be analyzed to see if she had any awareness of the existence of Tempel 1 before knowing about the NASA mission. :wink:
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Heck, if she had any awareness of current space exploration activities, she should have already sued NASA four times for Cassini's alteration of the orbits of Venus (twice), Earth, and Jupiter!

Here's a nice chart of the Cassini trajectory as published on a yet another woowoo site. :roll:
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Then the papers would be analyzed to see if she had any awareness of the existence of Tempel 1 before knowing about the NASA mission. :wink:
I was thinking the same...

She certainly didn't "discover" Comet Tempel 1 using astrology.
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I thought only the planets do have an influence on me...
Now also every little piece of ice out there?
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I thought only the planets do have an influence on me...
Now also every little piece of ice out there?
Of course. Any follower of astrology who wants the subject to be taken seriously as a science, or something similar, has to look for a cause of the planets influence, and most of them turn to gravity and electromagnetics. Once you cross that gap, you pretty much doom yourself to having to know where every grain of dust in the universe is to make an accurate prediction.

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When you follow the explanation that every object act on you, altering the course of Temple 1 is negligible. As the course of every other object has not been altered, the influence should be very close to zero.
Otherwise you make Tempel one something special. I can´t remember any horoscope mentioning it in the past. Does anybody? Guess not...
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Well, i think this can be quite interesting case.

As the miss WooWooo pointed out so nicely: An amateur astrologist, she believes that any variation in the orbit or the composition of the Tempel comet will certainly affect her own fate.
And the project manager's defence? "Well, I'm a Scorpio/Libra/Virgo/etc., and that's what we do. The fate of the comet as written in the stars..."
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So, if this case really goes to courtroom, it will be about astrology... i'd say her chances are near absolute zero, but it will be fun
If there are any hopes for Russian-American space co-operation to continue in the future, the judge would really have to be insane for this to fly..., no matter what this woowoo could prove in court.
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Unfortunately, I don’t believe she has to prove anything about astrology as far as it validity regarding astronomic phenomenon. If I remember correctly from reading the article the first time it was posted, she is coming in under “infringement of religious rights”. Basically saying that Astrology is her religion and anything done by us to astronomic bodies has a negative affect on her, causing her mental trauma. Blah, somebody get me a pail, I feel ill...

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Unfortunately, I don’t believe she has to prove anything about astrology as far as it validity regarding astronomic phenomenon. If I remember correctly from ready the article the first time it was posted, she is coming in under “infringement of religious rights”. Basically saying that Astrology is her religion and anything done by us to astronomic bodies has a negative affect on beliefs, causing her mental trauma. Blah, somebody get me a pail, I feel ill..
Wow, thats THE way to stop the building of that new highway in my neighborhood. That street changes the electric field of the earth which has an negative influence on me.
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Basically saying that Astrology is her religion and anything done by us to astronomic bodies has a negative affect on beliefs
OMG, I can just see the flood gates open with this one...
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Utterly ridiculous!

I really hope they throw this out before too long.
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Sometimes lawsuits deal with the percentage of responsibility. I think NASA should share the responsibility with Jupiter. Now let's see.... From another thread:
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I remember reading on one of the official Deep Impact sites (can't find it now in the pic fest ) that the comets trajectory was expected to be changed by 10 meters (33ft). In 2024 the comet will pass by Jupiter and have it's orbit changed by 34 million kilometers (21 million miles).
Now a change by 10m/34,000,000,000m times the settlement amount of $300M comes to around 9 cents. I think we can settle for that.

Edit to add: Of course the lawers would probably get a nickel.
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So, that crazy Russian lady went ahead and sued NASA. :roll:

How much do you folks wanna bet that this suit will be laughed out of court?

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Heck, if she had any awareness of current space exploration activities, she should have already sued NASA four times for Cassini's alteration of the orbits of Venus (twice), Earth, and Jupiter!
Come to think of it, someone could countersue her for altering the orbit of the earth every time she takes a step.
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How much do you folks wanna bet that this suit will be laughed out of court?
If I was the judge, that would be a very safe bet, but being unfamiliar with the Russian legal system and the extent to which astrology is accepted in Moscow, I for one would not put any money on that wager.
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Heck, if she had any awareness of current space exploration activities, she should have already sued NASA four times for Cassini's alteration of the orbits of Venus (twice), Earth, and Jupiter!
Come to think of it, someone could countersue her for altering the orbit of the earth every time she takes a step.
I don't want to destroy the "funny", but this doesn't work. The step counteracts the lifting of the foot (something like that).
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Unfortunately, I don’t believe she has to prove anything about astrology as far as it validity regarding astronomic phenomenon. If I remember correctly from reading the article the first time it was posted, she is coming in under “infringement of religious rights”. Basically saying that Astrology is her religion and anything done by us to astronomic bodies has a negative affect on her, causing her mental trauma. Blah, somebody get me a pail, I feel ill...
So, basically, if i believe that the world is flat, the existance of entire southern hemisphere is "infringment of religious rights" and the pure existance of them has a negative affect on me, causing me a mental trauma. So i can sue every country in the southern part. Let's say billion dollars from Australia and less from others. Lads, i got meself a business plan

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is this actually serious???????? i know there are some greedy kooks out there but this just takes the buiscuit! (then the whole tin)!
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Unfortunately NASA left themselves open to such litigation after their apology to the Navajo Nation for scattering Eugene Shoemaker's remains on the Moon in 1998.
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Unfortunately NASA left themselves open to such litigation after their apology to the Navajo Nation for scattering Eugene Shoemaker's remains on the Moon in 1998.
What? And just what was *that* for? I hadn't realized that the Navaho nation had any claim to the Moon. It's that whole space treaty thing....

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Well, the funny thing is, she had to petition some Russian court or legislation branch in order to even get her plea considered. I’m sure it has to with back lash from almost a century of religious suppression, and now the Russian’s have gone a bit overboard in the opposite direction. I doubt it will go far in international courts; the big shame is the money we’ll have to spend to fight the law suit may well be as much as the suit itself (if it even gets that far).

Hmmm, didn’t the Tsars have thing about astrology… you know the bug eyed advisor Rasputin.

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Side note: Rasputin scares me. Anyone who is killed three times and doesn't die just shouldn't be.
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So if he was killed 3 times and didn't die, doesn't that imply that he wasn't killed 3 times? what's scary?
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LOL, you may be thinking of Vigo the Carpathian who was poisoned, stabbed, hanged and then drawn-n-quartered and still his head managed to say, 'Death is but a gateway...'.

Awwww, he's suffering from Carpathian kitten loss.
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