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Old 30-August-2002, 01:35 PM
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**Secondly, you are assuming that the small, closely held mass acts to create greater inertial effect than the mass of the entire universe simply because it is closer.
Not only that, but the relationship is probably 1/R. What significance does that have? I looked into it a few years ago. Here is a short letter I wrote to Physics Today.

Once an effect is shown to be 1/R, all bets are off. The known mass clusters such as the Great Attractor would have a greater effect than the center of the Galaxy, for instance. The effect no longer dims with distance, but may increase--or, almost coincidentally, nearly stays the same.
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**Secondly, you are assuming that the small, closely held mass acts to create greater inertial effect than the mass of the entire universe simply because it is closer.
Not only that, but the relationship is probably 1/R. What significance does that have? I looked into it a few years ago. Here is a short letter I wrote to Physics Today.

Once an effect is shown to be 1/R, all bets are off. The known mass clusters such as the Great Attractor would have a greater effect than the center of the Galaxy, for instance. The effect no longer dims with distance, but may increase--or, almost coincidentally, nearly stays the same.
Yes, Grapes, and as you know most gravitational work is carried out in terms of the gravitational 'potential' which is known to vary as 1/R.

Thanks, for the appropriate (and interesting) letter.

As you brought up, it is worth mentioning that there are several non-metric (Euclidean) theories that appear to duplicate Einstein's GR, Whitehead being one. However, I was unaware of anisotropic gravitational effects.

Secondly, I thought it interesting you would bring up Ken Nordvedt. I missed the article, but I suspect he was trying to show something along the lines that self-energy of the earth's field ought to contribute to the effective mass and be observable thru precision lunar ranging, no?

Nevertheless, apparently he contributed much to the ideas I mentioned previously to Richard Hanak about gravitomagnetic fields.
While most consider these effects to be miniscule, he attempted relativistically to show they were ubiquitous and directly manifest as inertia.

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Secondly, I thought it interesting you would bring up Ken Nordvedt. I missed the article,
I have it around here somewhere. I'll dig it up. I actually sent the letter to Physics Today before his article appeared, and they asked me to recast it as a response to his article. I'd already discussed the issue with Clifford Will. Nordvedt did write a short response.
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