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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...nm/life_ufo_dc

And I thought these guys( http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11....ap/index.html ) were going to extreme lengths to fund their department...

Oh well, the media rules the worls anyway, at least if it's sci-fi, it might be entertaining.

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On 2002-11-16 17:59, n810 wrote: To: pst 4:23 P.M.

http://www.pp.pdx.edu/AUX/CSO/calendars.html

They are only working for ten days!!! How is that a archaeological dig? Just a survey with test holes to see where to dig takes at least a couple of weeks to do a really good job. You also need to take in ground penetrating radar and other devices to testbthe ground. Then you can do the actual dig. This can take months to even years to do a accurate dig.

The most they will find is some dirt in the ground. If it is such a govt. cover up the govt. would of taken all of the stuff by now. Also they will not find anyything in 10 days unless they are REALLY, REALLY lucky.

I wonder what the archaeologists credentials are? He seems like the same type of archaeologists that goes to Mt. Ararat (or however it is spelled) and looks for noahs ark.

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"It takes Thousands to fight a battle for a mile, Millions to hold an election for a nation, but it only takes One to change the world." - Dan Sandler 2002

I thought that the Roswell stuff had been explained after documents about high-altitude parachute tests were declassified. ( http://www.airspacemag.com/ASM/Mag/I...0/AS/ftup.html )

Anyway, this doesn't sound like a serious scientific endeavor as much as a splashy ratings-grabber. And it's on the Sci-Fi Channel, for crying out loud... it's not like anyone's going to take it as gospel, right?

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I don't know.. People belive Kaysing and Sibrel... and don't forget that Planet X is coming to get us

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I thought so too...guess we were all wrong. LOL

Seriously though, I saw the previews (for "The Roswell crash: startling new evidence") last night on the Sci-Fi channel and I had to laugh. Bryant Gumbel will be hosting the show. How could he have sunk so low? Then again I've never thought of him as a serious journalist.

Following the show, the Sci-Fi channel has another winner in store for us. "Abduction diarys"! Oh My! Better hide under the bed!!

When will the folks at Sci-Fi realise that just because someone enjoys science fiction (and fantasy etc.) doesn't mean that they will be checking their brains at the door.

Between this "stuff", and "sightings", and "The John Edward good time hour", it becomes increasingly harder and harder to tune to this channel. Anyone else having this problem?

Well sightings has been cancled for a while now. It is basically in sindication. And John Edwards, well do i even have to say anything about that swindler?

I remember when they had good sci fi shows. They had First Wave, Farscape, and the Jules Verne Show (I can't remmeber the exact title. A really good show that sadly only lasted one season. I hope they bring it back....) But now they seem to be more interested in popular journalism. They brought back the show "In search of..." if that has anything to say about that. So far they have done crop cirlces, yeti, and other bunches of poop. Right now i only watch it for Stargate and the every so often cool movie that comes on.

I hope that this alien special's "proof" is that it was not a alien craft and their "startiling evidence" is that it really was some ordinary thing. Let hope so.

By the way, if aliens have really visited earth, don't you think they would of contacted us by now? And why would NASA and the Govt. hide it? If Aliens were real that would give them HUGE boosts in funding to further space projects and space defense resources. So i bet that the first sign of alien they would say so and not hide it.

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"It takes Thousands to fight a battle for a mile, Millions to hold an election for a nation, but it only takes One to change the world." - Dan Sandler 2002

Funny. Star Trek: TNG dealt with this issue a few times. I remember one episode in particular where Captain Piccard, the alien, was interacting with the governmental leader trying to work away into integrating the planet into the Federation. It didn't work out, however, as their society was not ready to accept the existence of aliens. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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I always laugh when I see these Roswell cover-up discussions, because I used to work with a guy who was with the Air Force and was stationed at the base in question during the time of the supposed alien crash landing and subsequent cover-up. He was a mechanic and one of those guys who ran all over the base, in and out of buildings at will, pretty much beneath the notice of the brass. He was also a guy with an astounding memory for detail, and he repeatedly told anyone who asked that he never saw or heard anything that could in anyway be construed as relating to hidden alien craft, a cover-up, or even anything particularly interesting. Since he was beyond the time frame in which he would have been sworn to secrecy, and since in was, in my opinion, the most rational of men, I tend to think he's a lot more credible than most of the folks perpetuating the alien cover-up story.

Someone ought to put together a timeline, not of the supposed events at Roswell but of their coming to prominence. When I was really into reading up on UFOs in the 70s, Roswell was never mentioned. And even when it started being discussed it was years before anyone mentioned anything about alien bodies being found and spirited away by the military.

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Smoking gun evidence! Lucy, you sure are going to have a lot of explaining to do Monday morning!

BTW, the Roswell UFO is now a parachute? First a flying disc. Then a weather balloon. Then a spy balloon. Now a parachute? Tomorrow, it'll be a hot dog.

Here's the initial statement by Lt. Warren Haught, public information officer for the Roswell Army Air Field:

"The many rumors regarding the flying discs became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th (atomic) Bomb Group of the 8th Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves county."

That must have been one heckuva parachute.

Check out Curtis Peebles' book Watch the Skies!. This book has a good chronology of how Roswell rose to prominence.

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Also we are probably pretty menacing looking, nonchalantly breathing such corrosive elements as **Oxygen**.

Well, my dad was watching a re-run of this, and I couldn't resist watching it - just to see what they had to say for themselves. Suprise! Suprise! The first 1hr and 45 min. were spent on the history of Roswell and the conspiracy and the "eye witness" reports and all of that, intermingled with pieces of the archeologists looking for the "crash sites" and images of archeologists sifting through dirt. At the end, they finally get to whole reason for watching the show.

They found a non-natural depression/shallow ditch. Near that site, they found the remains of a weather balloon, but it was dated to about 10 yrs. ago. They dug a trench either on or near the ditch (I didn't quite catch where they were digging) and found evidence of an impact that had been filled in with dirt later. They also took many dirt samples for further study, and all they would say is that preliminary findings revealed "suprising" things. The archeologist seemed to indicate, if I understand correctly, that there's indications of a crash, but there's no guarentee it is extraterrestrial in origin.

There was also a photograph of the original investigations, a military official with a paper in his hand photographed with the recovered weather balloon (sorry, I cannot recall his name). In one photo, the writing is facing the camera. One guy worked on that photo for two years, and claims to have enhanced the entire document. Well, many words actually had indistinguished letters which he had to fill in (as an example of such, they showed the word he determined to be "victims" was actually "vi--i-s" and tabulating all the words it could be, victim fit the best), and they never showed the entire document he came up with, just key framents. It mentions "the victims of the 'disks'" being shipped out (the word "disk" was in quotes in the document). The word "weather balloon" is also mentioned. I didn't quite get the phrase, but he thinks it means that the weather balloon was ordered as a cover-up.

The final analysis is that the government is covering something up; but that downs't necessarily mean "aliens."

I mention this in case any one wants to comment.

Somehow.. i just never foresaw that the aliens would make first contact on the Sci-Fi channel. Or if they did, they would have done it during MST3K. Possibly by having Crow T. Robot as their spokesperson.

I think that Roswell is losing its hold even amongst the "UFO-ologists" (and btw, I still pronounce this as 'oof-ologists', as if i'd been hit in the gut). And my favorite Star Trek episode that dealt with this was the Deep Space Nine one where Quark's becomes the Roswell craft. Quark crash-lands and is taken before the US Feds. When they refuse to buy into his technology (and they don't have the latnum anyway), he remarks "well, maybe I'll just sell it to these "russians" you keep talking about." And so on and so on...

That ep od DS9 was great. I especcially loved Nog trying to explain to his uncle about cigaretts. When Quark finally understands that humans willing light and inhale carcenogenic smoke he realises that he could sell anything to these people.

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