Knowing comets were discovered to be composed of animatter three years ago, does anyone know why NASA plans to slam a 372-kilogram spacecraft into the antimatter 9P/Tempel comet? The announcement was made at April 2002 joint meeting of American Physical Society and American Astronomical Society. The quantity of antimatter in our solar system is a million times less than one part per billion that scientists have estimated. The remaining antimatter in our solar system is thought to be located in the Oort Clouds.

Scientists have been conducting research on antimatter for over seventy years. Matter and antimatter annihilations produce a spectrum of light along with x-rays and gamma rays. Scientists have observed the spectrum of light along the x-rays and gamma rays coming from comet’s coma and tails and explosions when sungrazer comets collide the Sun. What is taking place is easy to explain. Solar dust particles are blasting antimatter off the comet to form the comet’s coma; and solar wind is pulling the plasma off the coma to form the comet's tails. The comet’s coma and tails are an ambiplasma that are composed of matter and antimatter particles. The mixture of water, ammonia, methane, carbon dioxide, and other ions, which scientists has been observed, comes from the solar dust particles rather than the comet. The dust particles, which NASA’s Stardust spacecraft and other spacecraft have collected, are solar dust that fall on Earth everyday. For more information, please see www.matter-antimatter.com.

NASA’s SOHO website shows movies of antimatter sungrazer comets colliding with the Sun and producing large sunspots and enormous explosions. In the July 2004 issue of National Geographic magazine, they discuss solar bursts that are equivalent to billions of megatons of TNT. When Earth passes through these enormous solar storms, communication satellites have been damaged and electrical power on Earth disrupted. According to The New York Times article, "antimatter comets" are colliding with stars throughout the Universe and are the source of gamma-ray bursts that scientists have been studying for forty years.

NASA violated the United States Environmental, Health and Safety laws by not performing the worst-case safety analysis. When the analysis was provided, Michael A'Hearn, University of Maryland, Deep Impact Principal Investigator, rejected the analysis because NASA would have had to cancel the launch. NASA plans to have The United States violated the Test Ban Treaty of 1963 that prohibits nuclear weapons tests or any other nuclear explosion in the atmosphere, in outer space, and under water.

On July 4, 2005, NASA plans to slam their Deep Impact 370-kilogram Impactor into the 9P/Tempel 1 Comet. The kinetic energy is equivalent to 4.5 tons of TNT; but the article failed to state that the matter-antimatter annihilation energy would be equivalent to 16,000-Megatons of TNT. The explosion will shatter the 140 billion ton antimatter comet into trillions of pieces. This compares to the Shoemaker-Levy 9 explosions on Jupiter that were equivalent to 200 million megatons of TNT.

The 16,000-Megatons of TNT explosion will be the beginning of Armageddon. Starting in January 2022, antimatter meteors will begin colliding with Mars and producing hundreds of multi-megaton explosions. By advancing the clock on http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=9P to January 2022, you will see the orbits of Mars and the antimatter 9P/Tempel 1 comet intersecting each other.

The bad new is that gravitational forces will pull the billons of tons of antimatter fragments toward the Sun and a similar fate awaits people on Earth. For example, when a Shoemaker-Levy comet meteor collided with Jupiter, the explosion produced a plume that was five times the diameter of the Earth. If a similar explosion took place on Earth, the explosion would suck off Earth's atmosphere and water; and Earth would become a desolate planet like Mars.

Energy USA, Inc has different plans for humanity. We plan to develop Mirror Energy, which is created by bringing matter and antimatter together, and replace oil and coal as World’s Primary Source of Energy. The United States and other countries could achieve Energy Independence. The mass of your car could supply the entire World’s Energy needs for three years. The mass of a nickel (coin) could operate a 100-megawatt power plant for three months. The nickel could take NASA’s Space Shuttle or 100-ton spacecraft on 250 trips into Earth orbit. The spacecraft could take off and land at airports just like an airplane. Off-peak electricity could produce hydrogen for motor vehicles and oxygen for commercial applications. Hydrogen and oxygen would become new sources of income for power companies.

The billions of barrels of oil and billions of tons of coal could be used for making products to bring every country into twenty-first century rather than burning them and destroying our environment. But, the real benefits would come from taking billions of people out of poverty, providing them a World-Class Education, and empowering them to live out their dreams. For more information, please see www.EnergyUSA.net

My background includes working for fifteen years at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory (Fermilab) for U.S. Department of Energy. Fermilab is a $2 billion high energy physics research facility. I was involved in the design, construction, and operation of accelerators that made antimatter, detectors that observed matter-antimatter energy signatures, and computer facilities that analyzed the data for elementary particles. I have identified 108 antimatter elements, incorporated the antimatter elements into a Periodic Table of Matter-AntiMatter Elements, discovered comets are natural sources of antimatter, and advanced the science and technology to making it happen.

I have talked to hundreds of people within government, business, and education and have make presentations to American Physical Society, American Astronomical Society, Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Association of Energy Engineers, Mars Society, Chambers of Commerce, and U.S. Department of Energy, Office of Science, High Energy Physics Advisory Panel, which is composed of World-Class high-energy physicists and astrophysicists.

Comets aren't made of anti-matter. They are made of various ices, rocks, and dust. The sun grazers don't crash into the sun and create sun spots. Sun spots are caused by twisting magnetic fields within the sun that produce relatively cool spots on the surface. The explosions, known as flares and coronal mass ejections, are caused by forces inside the sun, not from comet imapcts.

Provide a link to any article, news report, or convincing scientific proof - preferably peer reviewed - that shows that comets are made of antimatter, please.

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You cannot use that simple Java applet to accurately predict the motion of bodies in space. It is only good for short term movement and doesn't take into account interaction with other bodies.

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Hi Norm, welcome to the UT forum.

I'd like to suggest that future discussion of comets being made of anti-matter be confined to the alternative theories section of this forum. I appreciate the time you spent writing up this post, but I'm sure that you are aware that the largest difficulty with it is the lack of belief that comets are made of anti-matter.

I'd like to point out that the Stardust, Giotto, and other probes that we've sent through cometary comas were not destroyed by impacts with debris from comets. Also, the meteors that fall to Earth as we pass through cometary orbits (Swift-Tuttle, etc) do not give off 511KeV gamarays in any quantity, all point to the idea that comets are made of normal matter.

Of course, you may be right, and there may be some important observations that I am missing, but at the moment your idea is "alternative".

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As a followup, if there is not a 16 gigaton explosion on July 4th, and instead we see what is predicted if the probe and comet are both made of normal matter, do you plan to retract your position about the composition of comets, and remove your websites?

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Pick one.

Ok, so there is 1 person thinking of a big explosion, what does the rest of you think will happen when Deep Impacts?

As we are in the Alternative section, I suggest the smallest possible crater will be seen because it will hit solid rock (a few meters across, I think), and possibly the probe won't reach it's target.

Cheers.

It IS an open question, which is why the mission is interesting. I think that it will probably release a little less material than is predicted, as I think the comet material is slightly less brittle (more cohesive) than current models suggest, especially when closer to the sun, when the tarry surface softens. I think the comet is a mixture of light ices and carbonaceous debris.

A 100 meter diameter crater fifteen meters deep would be the center of my range of guesses.

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Well, I am curious to know if anyone has investigated the results using an electrical universe concept.

Someone be so kind as to explore this concept with an open mind and pose a result, please.

It has been discussed. Note that VanderL is often an EU proponent. The EU model seems to be predicting a substantially smaller crater, with much stonier material being blasted out than the NASA scientests are expecting. There should not be much that could be detected electrically by this probe.

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Hi katesisco,


This webpage from 2002 about Comet Borrelly sums up the electric view on comets.

It also contains a part about the Deep Impact mission, this is Wal Thornhill's view in 2002:

Cheers.

I would need to do some calculations, but it is my impression that there will easily be enough energy there for there to be x-rays given off by this impact (non-EU model). I'd like to know where Thornhill got the idea that there wouldn't be.

From his description, there were a lot of options open for what the EU poeple expect from this impact, but the only thing I read that would be distinctly detectable as a difference is the early release of energy, before the probe hits the surface.

I am curious as to why he would think that there would be some huge electrical discharge going on. The EU model says that both the comet and the spacecraft are absorbing charge to make them electrically similar to the environment around them. The comet is near perihelion, and the copper impactor has been cruising at about the same distance from the Sun for a month or so at the time of impact. By the EU model, they should be electrically similar, and no electrical arcs should appear.

I'd like to see some calculation as to how far from the surface this 350 Kg thing has to be before the sudden burst of electrical activity begins. Is it meters, hundreds of meters, 10s of kilometers? We've already had craft pass within hundreds of kilometers of comets with no such activity.

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Really? I'd like to see those calculations, producing thermal X-rays is a very tough thing to do. Maybe Thornhill means to say detectable X-rays (is there any detector on the mission that can see them?), a real spike.

I see more than one thing different, early and bigger "fireworks", a small crater (because in the EU model comets are no different from asteroids in composition), copper ions (can they be "seen" by the craft, or any other observatory?), an X-ray spike.

The comet is not in equilibrium with it's environment, otherwise it wouldn't be a comet. The coma and jets are the result of continuous discharging and machining of the surface. The reason comets are not in equilibrium is that it moves in an orbit with a strong radial component to the Sun. This means it constantly changes it's environment and never reaches equilibrium.

The probe is much smaller and won't have any trouble reaching it's equilibrium, the impactor is a fast "missile" and will disturb (and take part in) the discharging process. This will happen in the final moments.


It depends on the strenth of the discharging process, and that depends on the difference in charge between the comet and it's environment (unfortunately Tempel 1 is not a very bright comet). Both are constantly changing, I can only guess at what distance it will be visible. It wouldn't be kilometers, and if it shows activity in the last few meters, we probably couldn't distinguish it. Remember the bright spots on comet Wild 2? Those spots (electric arcs in the EU model) were hovering above it's surface, that would be the closest distance before anything visible happens. Let's hope there is something to distinguish the models.


Cheers.

Make your predictions!
That was the title of topic I intended to post here, but Norm came first.
So far we have standard (Antoniseb), EU (VanderL), matter-antimatter (Norm) and I would like to add Tom Van Flandern's prediction:
TVF Deep Impact

Thanks for the link Svemir,

Tom van Flandern's reasoning makes sense to me and partly agrees with the EU view (the part that says comets are made from the same material as asteroids).

What do you think will happen?

Cheers.

Note concerning Norm's prediction. Through email, Norm has explained to me that if they ARE made of antimatter, comets are much smaller than we normally take them to be (Halley and Wild II perhaps being well photographed exceptions). In his model Comet Temple I is perhaps 100 meters in diameter. So, I suggest that if his model is correct that Deep Impact stands an excellent chance of missing the central object altogether, and no explosion will be observed. (No Armageddon)

Note he says that Shoemaker-Levy 9 was about 17 meters in diameter if it was antimatter.

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I missed the EU quantitative prediction - how big a crater? how much energy released as EM? distributed in what way across the EM spectrum (gammas to radio)? what variation by time? and so on ... OOM would do just fine (for now)!