The ICR devotes a bit of webspace to explaining that, according to a verse in Isiah, we won't find any life outside the Earth. I've noticed that it's not difficult to predict what Moon Hoax Believers will say about a given piece of new proof, so what do you guy suppose the creationists will say if life is discovered on Mars or Europa? Will they claim its part of the establishment's hoax, or will they re-interpret Isiah to say it's possible afterwards?

I know about a french creationist and scientific Nobel Prise, who claims that the age of universe is 6000 years and that's the same as 13 billion years ... using complicated Relativity ... [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
life on Mars ? no problem. thanks to Relativity, it's no life ... [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

And who would that be?

I just found your post where that analogy is made, apparently by Gerald Schroeder. He's not French, is he? And he hasn't won a Nobel prize, either, right?

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NO he is not.
it was long time ago, I was listening to radio station in french. he was answering calls, live regarding Genesis/Science issues. he is french scientific Nobel Price. I can't remeber his name.

That link to the Nobel Prizes that I posted earlier lists them all by nationality, and the French have 11 physics prizes, 7 chemistry, and 8 physiology or medicine. Most of them were early prizes, and they are long dead--only five of them were awarded in the past thirty years, but they are still alive: Pierre-Gilles de Gennes, Georges Charpak, Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, Jean-Marie Lehn, Jean Dausset. Louis Néel, who shared the physics prize with Alfvén in 1970, died in 2000. François Jacob seems to still be alive, he shared the physiology or medicine prize with André Lwoff, who died in 1994--every other Frence science prize winner seems to have died more than fifteen years ago.

Grapes,

I've digged in google and found Francois Jacob, the 1965 NP in Physilogy/Genetics, on various religion issues.
SO I suppose -- but not sure -- he is the man I was talking about.
I still remeber his explanations on Relativity very similar to Schroeder's.

I did some googling too, on "Francois Jacob creationism" but nothing panned out. Can you furnish some links to those sites?

Grapes,

google advanced search. language=french.
search box = ["françois jacob" bible]
u get ca. 50 links.
I didn't read all.
here some:

http://epepalaiseau.free.fr/psaume%20104.htm
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Pour étudier le passé, le scientifique est obligé d'émettre des hypothèses de base nécessaires : François JACOB, récompensé par le prix Nobel, disait que les biologistes ont besoin de toute leur imagination pour tenter d'expliquer l'origine de la vie.

De deux choses l'une : j'ai une idée pour bâtir une hypothèse sur l'étude du passé ou je me sers du récit biblique, hypothèse de départ par excellence, parole du Dieu créateur ; la Bible étant le seul livre qui raconte de façon précise l'origine du monde.

Je vais en définitive observer les mêmes choses que beaucoup de gens et scientifiques observent dans cet univers.

Avec les scientifiques évolutionnistes, nous allons faire des observations sur les mêmes faits, sur la même Nature, sur la même terre, sur le même univers, mais simplement l'hypothèse de base étant différente, l'interprétation qui s'ensuivra sera différente.

Par conséquent, sur le plan de l'évolution, je pars avec une hypothèse de base et je termine avec une interprétation, on nous dit que cela est scientifique, et sur le plan de la Bible, je pars certes avec une autre hypothèse de base, j'en arrive avec une autre interprétation mais je ne vois en quoi cela serait moins scientifique parce que j'émets l'hypothèse de départ d'un Dieu créateur.

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http://www.espace-evangile.com/ee011104.htm

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Que l'évolution soit due exclusivement à une succession de micro-évènements, à des mutations survenant chacune au hasard, le temps et l'arithmétique s'y opposent. François Jacob (Nobel de Médecine, Généticien)
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it shows he is a creationist. am I wrong ?

Just looking at those paasages, and the ones I found, I'm not sure. Nothing I've seen says he is a creationist.

Many scientists believe in God, and believe in God's participation in the world around us--but that doesn't necessarily make them a creationist. I'd have to see more specific evidence.

To my mind, a creationist would deny the geologic record of millions of years of history, and insist that the events recorded in the strata could have been laid down in 10 thousand years or so. I think it would be a misapplication of the term creationist if one were to apply it, for instance, to someone who believes that God created the physical laws, and set the Big Bang in motion, and stays a passive observer.

That would be a definition for a typical US creationist. Such literalism is considered as badly retarded in Europe and Russia.