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Old 13-February-2006, 05:26 AM
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Please read this Ancient Eygptian text, Eygptians were great in astronomy and they were very aware of the sun's movements.

Papyrus Anastasi IV 1279 BC "The sun it has come to pass riseth not...winter is come instead of summer...the hours are disordered."

The "retrograde" of planets cannot explain the rising of the sun from another place......

From the Egyptian tomb of Horemheb "Harakhte, only god, king of the gods; he rises in the west, he sends his beauty.."

Ra-Harakhte (Horus of the two horizons) This horus was identified with Ra and the daily voyage of the sun from horizon to horizon. The two deities combined to become Ra-Harakhte. He was represented as a falcon or a falcon-headed man wearing the solar disk and double crown or the uraeus and the atef crown.

That means the sun rises from the west before a possible shift of rotation.

Now the sun rises from the east.
http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs...question14.html


We know that there is a magnetic north-south pole shift.

But the question is, have earth ever change the direction of rotation. If it does, was there earthquakes, floods, major changes on the lands of this planet?
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Have the rotation of earth changed before?
Yes, If I recall correctly, the rotation slows down ever so slightly all the time, eventually earth should get tidally locked towards the moon... But this will take billions of years to complete, by which time we will have other problems...

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But the question is, have earth ever change the direction of rotation. If it does, was there earthquakes, floods, major changes on the lands of this planet?
Depends on how you define the change of direction of rotation. The rotation axis itself seems to rotate a bit making seasons shorter and longer, but this too happens very, very slowly.

As for the kind of effect you're seeking, sudden 180 degree change in the direction of rotation... no, there's no signs of such a huge even ever occuring, particularly not during the written history of mankind. I can't properly understand the kind of energies but I know that I wouldn't want to be involved in such an event...

Suffice it to say though, that when such massive bodies as planets are rotating with speeds sufficient to make equatorial regions move almost 500 meters a second and then not only grind to halt but to also start moving in the opposite direction, you better watch out for incoming objects because earth just stopped and you kept moving!

Earth quakes? Earth rip-aparts more like...
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Please read this Ancient Eygptian text, Eygptians were great in astronomy and they were very aware of the sun's movements.

Papyrus Anastasi IV 1279 BC "The sun it has come to pass riseth not...winter is come instead of summer...the hours are disordered." <snip>
Do you have a reference link so we can look at the original hieroglyphics and translation?

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Sorry I cannot find the original hieroglyphics.

Originally I got the text from this site:
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/sidereal.html

You can try to ask the author of that page if he have to original text. His contacts is at the bottom of that page

It also appeared in Immanuel Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision (1950)"
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/JNHDA/wic.htm

The original "Worlds in Collision" text
http://www.apollonius.net/velikovsky.html


But I got the translation of Plato's Politicus (Statesman)
http://ethics.sandiego.edu/books/pla..._politicus.htm

The following quote is from Plato's Politicus
"Str. No, not that; but another part of the story, which tells how the sun and the stars once rose in the west, and set in the east, and that the god reversed their motion, and gave them that which they now have as a testimony to the right of Atreus."

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Old 14-February-2006, 12:55 AM
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The Papyrus Ipuwer states: "the earth turned upside down" and "the land turns round (over) like a potter's wheel." End of this line 8 and beginning line 9. Right to left.

Original Eygptian text
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/upsidedown.html

What happen if earth rotates in the same direction but the entire pole moved 180 degrees? It will make everything reversed include the sunrise position of the sun???
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Cultural mythologies are certainly interesting, but I'd recommend against reading anything deeply into them. In this case, the sheer amount of energy that would be required to stop or reverse Earth's rotation would yield intensely catastrophic results. Perhaps someone more motivated than I could undertake the necessary calculations (there are pertinent examples with accompanying math listed on this page), but suffice to say it would effect the end of all life on the planet and a great deal more.

Magnetic polar reversals are another matter, and well-supported by evidence.
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Cultural mythologies are certainly interesting, but I'd recommend against reading anything deeply into them. In this case, the sheer amount of energy that would be required to stop or reverse Earth's rotation would yield intensely catastrophic results. Perhaps someone more motivated than I could undertake the necessary calculations (there are pertinent examples with accompanying math listed on this page), but suffice to say it would effect the end of all life on the planet and a great deal more.

Magnetic polar reversals are another matter, and well-supported by evidence.


Thank you very much for the links.

In the last paragraph of this link:
http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/reversals_e.php

"Many authors have pointed out that the dipole part of the magnetic field has been weakening during historic times, and that if the present trend continues, the dipole field will go to zero in roughly 1500 years. Some people take this to mean that we are entering a reversal. Although this possibility cannot be discounted, many investigators believe that the trend will not continue and that the field will regain its strength, as it has many times in the past."

What can happen on the crust, tide, and atmosphere when the dipole field go to zero after 1500 years?
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What can happen on the crust, tide, and atmosphere when the dipole field go to zero after 1500 years?
Nothing much. It's just the magnetic field reversing (with associated deep, deep, deep core material -- that is always on the move some way). Change is normal.

NASA: Earth's Inconstant Magnetic Field (cited above by Woverine):

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Reversals take a few thousand years to complete, and during that time--contrary to popular belief--the magnetic field does not vanish. "It just gets more complicated," says Glatzmaier. Magnetic lines of force near Earth's surface become twisted and tangled, and magnetic poles pop up in unaccustomed places. A south magnetic pole might emerge over Africa, for instance, or a north pole over Tahiti. Weird. But it's still a planetary magnetic field, and it still protects us from space radiation and solar storms.
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Nothing much. It's just the magnetic field reversing (with associated deep, deep, deep core material -- that is always on the move some way). Change is normal.

NASA: Earth's Inconstant Magnetic Field (cited above by Woverine):
Thank you for your reply.

Was this magnetic field reversing causes the Eygptians' problem on their astronomy calculations in the past?

Also, During the thousand years of reverse of magnetic pole, will the change make compass navigation around the world difficult like it was in Bermuda Triangle? (I know that planes and ships use compass...)

Finally, so far I know that there are magnetic pole, physical geographical pole, and the celestial pole/ERS Reference Pole (IRP)

During the magnetic pole reverse, will it have any effect on celestial pole rotation?
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Was this magnetic field reversing causes the Eygptians' problem on their astronomy calculations in the past?
Yeah, if it had happened then, it would have messed up their compasses -- if they had any. But the last reversal was a long time ago.

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Also, During the thousand years of reverse of magnetic pole, will the change make compass navigation around the world difficult like it was in Bermuda Triangle? (I know that planes and ships use compass...)
Please present evidence for your assertion that compass navigation is difficult in the Bermuda Triangle.

Yes, it will be slightly more diffcult to navigate with a cheap compass and no information of the current state of the field. However, by that time, a decent compass (maybe even the cheapest ones) will no doubt be electronically tied to constantly updated data on where the multi-poles are, and what shape the field currently is. Heck, by that time, will compasses be anything but children's toys? That's almost the state of affairs now, what with the easy access to GPS.

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Finally, so far I know that there are magnetic pole, physical geographical pole, and the celestial pole/ERS Reference Pole (IRP)

During the magnetic pole reverse, will it have any effect on celestial pole rotation?
I don't see how. The liquid core always swirls about and sometimes it swirls in a way that grossly affects the magnetic field of the planet. I don't know why that would affect the rotation of the much larger planet. Relax, and have faith in Earth's awesome angular momentum.
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Please present evidence for your assertion that compass navigation is difficult in the Bermuda Triangle.
It was well known that magnetic storm cause navigation problems in the past, but you are right, as long as they have the GPS it should be fine, just pray that there is no malfunction of electricity supply of the planes and ships in the storm......



QUESTION: Are there any unknown magnetic fields in Antarctica
similar to those supposedly found in the Bermuda Triangle? If so,
where is it located?

http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/antarctica...tions,Time,ZIP

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ANSWER from Todd Duncan on 1/4/95:
I don't know much about the supposed magnetic fields near the
Bermuda Triangle. You probably know that ships and airplanes can
use compasses for navigation. The Earth has an overall magnetic field
that roughly lines up with the north and south directions, so the
alignment of a magnetic compass needle allows ships to tell which
direction they are heading. (If you're interested in learning more about
magnetic fields, ask your science teacher how to set up an experiment
with a bar magnet, some iron filings and a compass to see how the
compass needle points along the field lines). I guess the suggestion
about the Bermuda Triangle is that if there is something like a large
iron deposit producing a strong magnetic field in the area, then a
compass might point somewhere other than north, so that you could
get lost because your directions are confused.

This site is NOT a scientisfic site, but it gives the picture as example below, and the story of "Christopher Columbus" should be true.
http://www.crystalinks.com/bermuda_triangle.html

http://www.crystalinks.com/bermudacompass.gif
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Located on the 80th degree longitude, the Bermuda Triangle is one of the two areas on Earth where a compass will point at true north rather than magnetic north. This compass (in picture above) variation can be as much as 20 degrees, enough to throw one catastrophically off course. The other is the Devil's Sea.
Unusual events in that area date back in recorded history to 1493 and the first voyage of Christopher Columbus (1451–1506) to the New World.

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Christopher Columbus wrote in his diary about this sea. In fact, it so fooled his crew that it almost led them to mutiny. There exists the possibility exists of never leaving this legendary sea, he wrote. Another fascinating feature he noted is its ability to draw things in from all over the Atlantic. Some even claim it to be the "catch-basin" of the Atlantic.

Columbus' crew was greatly disappointed when seaweed and land birds were sighted, but after a few days no land was to be seen. Soon after, Columbus wrote, My compass acts strangely. I will not report this to my crew because of their deep superstitions about the area. Days later, Columbus saw a large meteor fall from the sky. He wrote, A large ball of light has fallen from the sky. It is unsure whether he mentions this occurrence in awe, because of its great size, or in fright. Later on their journey, in that area, Columbus and several of his crew members sighted unexplained dancing lights on the horizon. They wandered around for over a week before finally sighting land.

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http://www.parascope.com/en/bermuda1.htm
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From the account in Columbus's journal, it is thought that his compass's slight inaccuracy stemmed from nothing more than the discrepancy between true north and magnetic north. As for the lights, Columbus wrote of seeing "a great flame of fire" that crashed into the ocean -- probably a meteor. He saw lights in the sky again on October 11, which, of course, was the day before his famous landing. The lights, brief flashes near the horizon, were spotted in the area where dry land turned out to be.
http://bstar.net/bermudatriangle/geography.htm
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Finally, a fascinating area called the Sargasso Sea resides to the east of the Triangle. Sitting in the middle of the Atlantic, it houses a few small islands and masses of clumped floating seaweed. A warm water current within it swirls clockwise, affecting the weather of the area, keeping it calm and steamy. Having little wind, this area greatly affects unpowered ships.
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It was well known that magnetic storm cause navigation problems in the past, but you are right, as long as they have the GPS it should be fine, just pray that there is no malfunction of electricity supply of the planes and ships in the storm...
Mariners are still thought in school how to navigate by the stars and the sun.
All you need is a clear sky. (And a good clock and of course a sextant.)

If there were any magnetic anomalies in the Triangle, we would know about it.
Ships sail through it all the time.
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SkepticWiki: Bermuda Triangle

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It has been proposed that the South Atlantic Anomaly (a point of increased electromagnetic activity caused by a weak spot in the Earth’s magnetic field) could cause compass problems and other instrumentation failure on ships and airplanes. However, this area is quite far from the Bermuda Triangle. Interestingly, the Bermuda Triangle is one of the few places where magnetic north coincides with true north.
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It turns out that the Bermuda Triangle is no more dangerous than other similarly storm-prone areas. Heavier traffic in the area corresponds to a higher number of disappearances. Moreover, insurance rates for shipping and travel within the Bermuda Triangle are no higher than anywhere else.
Skeptic's Dictionary: Bermuda Triangle

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Investigations to date have not produced scientific evidence of any unusual phenomena involved in the disappearances. Thus, any explanation, including so-called scientific ones in terms of methane gas being released from the ocean floor, magnetic disturbances, etc., are not needed. The real mystery is how the Bermuda Triangle became a mystery at all.
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In short, the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle became a mystery by a kind of communal reinforcement among uncritical authors and a willing mass media to uncritically pass on the speculation that something mysterious is going on in the Atlantic.
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Thank you for your replies, guys. It helps a lot about it.

Now back to pole shift, as you explained to me magnetic pole shift does not affect the physical earth crust turning.

But would you please explain about the cause of this event in Egyptian text, "Papyrus Ipuwer". (not myth stories)

According to "Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt" by Margaret Bunson
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Admonitions of Ipuwer, a text recording the observations and adages of a sage who described conditions in Egypt at the end of the Old or the Middle Kingdom.
Which means Papyrus Ipuwer was not a myth book but history recording.

In this translation:
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html
2:5-6 "Plague is throughout the land. Blood is everywhere." 7:21 "... there is blood throughout all the land of Egypt."
2:8 "Forsooth, the land turns round like a potter's wheel."
2:10 "Forsooth, gates, columns and walls are consumed."


http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/ipuwer.gif
"the earth turned upside down" and "the land turns round (over) like a potter's wheel." End of this line 8 and beginning line 9. Right to left.


Original photo of the text:
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/Ipuwer8.gif

What was happening out there in Egypt at that time?

Also, I heard something called the "Occult Science" which have dealt with Astronomy. Should I be aware of these things?

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servantx, please be sure to review our forum rules -- we have rather strict guidelines pertaining to copyright issues and the hotlinking of images. I've edited two of your posts above accordingly, where noted.
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What was happening out there in Egypt at that time?
Sounds like a major earthquake to me. There are a number of plate boundaries and major faults in that part of the world.

As others have pointed out, there is no way it could have been a reversal of the Earth's rotation.
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servantx, please be sure to review our forum rules -- we have rather strict guidelines pertaining to copyright issues and the hotlinking of images. I've edited two of your posts above accordingly, where noted.
Thank you Wolverine, understood.
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