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Old 19-February-2006, 02:00 AM
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Ok before i even start with my theory, I'm sorry for my spelling skills in advance.
My idea goes something like this, There are 3 types of time, Real, Plane, and Motion. These all come together to form a 3D image of time. The first dimension of time, Real Time, is the one we are all use to. It is a line that has no beggining and no end, infinit. We could call it a "Time Line" for everything. At some point on this line we find the present, the point where future turns to past. But let me make a note by stating that there is no present. What i mean is, that no matter how much you break down time, you will never find the exact amount of time the present lasts, it happens so fast that in all reality its not there. The second dimension, Plane Time, is the lining up of many real timelines together. Think of this, if each point int eh universe were to share the same timeline then every point would experiance the same thing no matter what. So to fix this each point in the universe must have its own line, being points are infinit then there are infinit timelines. All of these lines are lined up with each other (no pun intended) like below.
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And as you see the points of time correspond to each other at all times. So in theory, if i wanted to know what was going on anywhere at 2AM then i would just have to veiw the top of this plane. The last type of time is the hardest to explain, so bear with me. I couldnt think of a batter name for this type of time so i called it motion time. (being it involves motion) As we know from realativity (general), as we accelerate, time slows down. And as we slow back down the time meets back up. When this happens, we are warping the real time in a upwards direction. This si because when time slows more real time is needed to make it through this area of time. So i must note that real time always moves at the same rate. So now what we have is a "bumpy" plane. This adds the 3rd dimension to it to finish up my theory. I do also think that there is one time dimension for each space dimension. (so according to string theory that would make for 10 time dimensions)
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Old 20-February-2006, 12:50 AM
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I was wondering... dose anyone like my theory or want to debate it? I know its hard to follow but im willing to explain it to anyone...
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Old 20-February-2006, 02:20 AM
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You made me think of a slide rule for time. Why don't you build one that has real, universal, GR, SR, and possibly string time? I'd love to see such an instrument.
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Old 20-February-2006, 09:24 PM
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Putting a timeline at every point in space gives us spacetime, 3 space dimensions and a time dimension. It is not multiple dimensions of time.
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Putting a timeline at every point in space gives us spacetime, 3 space dimensions and a time dimension. It is not multiple dimensions of time.
Please tell me how you know this to be fact.
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Old 22-February-2006, 01:22 AM
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Putting a timeline at every point in space gives us spacetime, 3 space dimensions and a time dimension. It is not multiple dimensions of time.
Even if this were true, there must be a second time dimension to account for the slowing of time. When time slows it warps, for somthing to warp it must have at least 2 dimensions.
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Old 22-February-2006, 02:29 AM
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How does this idea of yours ssdd conflict with the theory of General Relativity? (a belated welcome to BAUT, by the way)!

Is there anything you could do, even in principle, in a lab or with a telescope (or in a million labs and with a million telescopes) that could show your idea is how the universe 'works'?
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Old 22-February-2006, 07:50 AM
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We usually say our space had 3D and the universe has 4D (3D+Time)
In my opinion, time can not be named as a dimension, or we can say this time dimension is already included in the 3D . Time is the reflection of motion. We use the formula t=s/v. So what is time? Time has to be defined by space and motion. Time itself is null.

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Old 23-February-2006, 12:07 AM
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How does this idea of yours ssdd conflict with the theory of General Relativity?
Well i wasnt "trying" to make a conflict with GR, but more or less trying to incorporate it into my idea... I think if other theorys are able to blend with an idea it makes a much better case for it. Being GR allows for the slowing of time it is necisary for my idea to work, or else the 3rd dimension would be lost.
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Old 23-February-2006, 12:11 AM
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In my opinion, time can not be named as a dimension, or we can say this time dimension is already included in the 3D . Time is the reflection of motion..
I thought about that idea too, i never really developed it much further than that. But that is why i mentioned that there could be a time dimension for every space dimension. It could be that in some way they are interlinked. The equation also presents a cool point, being E=mc2 interelates energy and mass, why couldt there be a equation that dose the same thing for time.
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Old 23-February-2006, 03:36 AM
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Well i wasnt "trying" to make a conflict with GR, but more or less trying to incorporate it into my idea... I think if other theorys are able to blend with an idea it makes a much better case for it. Being GR allows for the slowing of time it is necisary for my idea to work, or else the 3rd dimension would be lost.
So your idea goes beyond GR? There is nothing in GR that is not also in your idea?

In what way does your idea conflict with quantum theory, specifically the Standard Model?

Oh, and you didn't answer this question:
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Is there anything you could do, even in principle, in a lab or with a telescope (or in a million labs and with a million telescopes) that could show your idea is how the universe 'works'?
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Old 24-February-2006, 02:28 AM
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Is there anything you could do, even in principle, in a lab or with a telescope (or in a million labs and with a million telescopes) that could show your idea is how the universe 'works'?

Well there have been many projects to try and prove that time dose slow down, they have proved on one project that it dose. The project involved launching a rocket with a clock or timer on board, they would then register the time to see if it differed from earth time as it left our gravitational feild. (The diffrence was very small but there was one.) What i do net understand about this experiment is how they could record the diffrence in time, being by the time the radio waves reached earth the times would be correct. (This is from what i have read and understood on the subject) So if somone could explain how they did it i would be glad to know. But being there is a shift in time, it has been proven that it can warp, therefore there has to be at least a second dimension to time.
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Old 24-February-2006, 07:57 AM
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Is there anything you could do, even in principle, in a lab or with a telescope (or in a million labs and with a million telescopes) that could show your idea is how the universe 'works'?

Well there have been many projects to try and prove that time dose slow down, they have proved on one project that it dose. The project involved launching a rocket with a clock or timer on board, they would then register the time to see if it differed from earth time as it left our gravitational feild. (The diffrence was very small but there was one.) What i do net understand about this experiment is how they could record the diffrence in time, being by the time the radio waves reached earth the times would be correct. (This is from what i have read and understood on the subject) So if somone could explain how they did it i would be glad to know. But being there is a shift in time, it has been proven that it can warp, therefore there has to be at least a second dimension to time.
You seem to be referring to a test of General Relativity (GR).

There is just one dimension of time in GR (and GR has passed all the tests its been subject to to date, with flying colours).

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Old 25-February-2006, 01:07 AM
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You seem to be referring to a test of General Relativity (GR).

There is just one dimension of time in GR (and GR has passed all the tests its been subject to to date, with flying colours).

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I was infact pointing to a test of general relativity, for as long as general realativity works out my theory can work as well. (I think) What i was trying to prove was that time can warp, and for anything to warp there must be at least 2 dimensions for it to warp in. I have not heard of single dimension warps. (If there is such a thing please let me know so i can revise some of my veiws on space-time. ) Thanks for the link Ill look more through it and try to figure out how GR uses a single time dimenson. Though, could the equations only work because we are not use to having a higher dimension? Meaning perhaps the equations were built for a 4D universe, so they would work for a 4D universe. Where maby if we tryed calculationg somthing for a higher dimension the equations would fail. (Ill keep looking into it)
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Old 25-February-2006, 09:55 PM
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To ssdd Welcome to the kitchen. Wherever the observer is, time is constant. Relativity attempts to explain, among other things, the wacky phenomenon of how light bends due to gravity. Einstein at least formulated a mathematical explanation of this phenomenon while we still struggle to understand what gravity is and what light is. Hopefully his brilliance can be added to by young scientists like yourself willing to take as much heat as Albert had to to get us this far. If you can't get past Nereid, at least thank him for applying intellectual heat- the most compassionate type of heat, as BAUT is truly a user-friendly "kitchen."
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Old 25-February-2006, 11:39 PM
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I was infact pointing to a test of general relativity, for as long as general realativity works out my theory can work as well. (I think)
That's quite a claim (potentially - I note your qualification!

What work have you done to convince at least yourself that any overlap between your idea and GR is free of inconsistencies?
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What i was trying to prove was that time can warp, and for anything to warp there must be at least 2 dimensions for it to warp in.
Well, as Fr. Wayne has already noted, GR does not require that time 'can warp'. But perhaps it's a matter of definition - can you show, mathematically, that 'warping time' (defined mathematically) is either inconsistent with GR, or requires a second dimension of time (or both)?
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I have not heard of single dimension warps. (If there is such a thing please let me know so i can revise some of my veiws on space-time. ) Thanks for the link Ill look more through it and try to figure out how GR uses a single time dimenson. Though, could the equations only work because we are not use to having a higher dimension? Meaning perhaps the equations were built for a 4D universe, so they would work for a 4D universe.
There are many counter-intuitive things that follow from the GR equations; 'a 4D universe' is indeed the home which GR presumes, but many are the traps for the unwary (or ill-informed) concerning what this means, in 'reality'.
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Where maby if we tryed calculationg somthing for a higher dimension the equations would fail. (Ill keep looking into it)
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Old 26-February-2006, 12:50 AM
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im sitting here with my calculator and a page of math from all kinds of theorys open, but i have no idea of how to calculate the math for another time dimension... its really frustrating being im still in high school and dont have the math skills i would like to have... ill keep working on it, but if anyone can offer some help i would greatly appreciate it.
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Old 26-February-2006, 02:43 AM
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go through BAUT archives and look under a lot of different words, one at a time, then scroll down to where the math wizards put their formulas. See if you can duplicate results. Then once you do, you can take off on your own.
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Old 27-February-2006, 11:21 PM
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SSDD, your creativity is just what's needed by the Space-time, the more puzzles ... the more Clues.... that's our toys

As of those Math, one at a time, concentrate on the meaning, look at them forward and .... backward, interpet them, re-interpet them, understand them, till you have doubt in them .... that's the fun part of it.

High school is the right time to start Space-Time, how about Special Relativity ? soak up with it until it ooze out of your ears.... is it too simple for you ? think again !

How about the starting point of "Eqv princple of Gravitation and acceleration" , which was beginning of the GR .... what are the implication(s) ?

You want to make some new theories ? Read up those Wacky ideas posting around this ATM, steal a few good tricks ... while find and avoid their pitfall .... you are on your way !

Again, my hearty welcome to science, turn on your neural computer.
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Old 01-March-2006, 11:16 PM
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Thanks for the suppoort and hint as to where to start, Ive started looking at the equations harder. I also started teaching myself some more advanced math. (Dug up those dusty math books) Ill keep updates as to my progress.
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Old 03-March-2006, 03:02 PM
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Ive been looking and started thinking something as basic as a quantum equation could be used to calculate the dimensions and distrotions the 3rd time dimension would place on the other dimensions. it seems simple enough to do, once i have the numbers for distortion i can incorporate them into other things... and hopefully find some way to test this. Let me know if this is a good idea or if im going the wrong way.
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No No No .... 3rd time dimension ? go check up other wackier ideas.
Read this first:
http://www.draaisma.net/rudi/science...onal_time.html
That Wacky idea seems useful.