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Old 26-September-2006, 02:31 AM
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I thought geocentrism was moribund.

It seems to be undergoing a resurgence!
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uh... this is a joke right??

right?????

GODS Man!! Say it's a JOKE!!!
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Old 26-September-2006, 03:20 AM
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Depends on what you mean by joke. I would bet these guys are serious that they believe it.

Tohu, given that this is the ATM section, were you just bringing that website to our attention because you thought it was humorous, or was there anything there you wanted to defend?

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Old 26-September-2006, 05:24 AM
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That geocentrists exist is not too surprising as some Biblical literalists hold that view. Robert Sungenis is apparantly a Catholic Apologist who believes in geocentrism because of his (and early Church leaders') interpretation of scripture. A few years ago the board also had a persistant geocentrist who used sock-puppets to promote his views and get around bannings.

If you look back in the BAUT archives there are many geocentrist threads. Like creationists, 'true believers' in geocentrism are unlikely to change their views regardless of the evidence presented to them.
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Galileo was wrong t-shirts, cups, hats, click here seems to sum it all up.
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Galileo was wrong t-shirts, cups, hats, click here seems to sum it all up.
Hey Big Don,

Time to resurrect the picture you put on the 'Conspiracy' forum:-

"The internet - it doesn't make you stupid, it just makes your stupidity more accessible to others."

What gets me is are people really so stupid that they will shell out good cash for this crock - and if they are, how on Earth did they ever get (and keep for more than a few hours, at least) any money in the first place?
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Old 26-September-2006, 07:47 AM
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This is my periodic post to point out that not all creationists are geocentrists

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Old 26-September-2006, 12:53 PM
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Galileo was wrong t-shirts, cups, hats, click here seems to sum it all up.
Let's not be hasty now! Bad Astronomy has a link where you can buy t-shirts, cups, hats and more. (Bad Astronomy has boxer shorts. Top that, galileowaswrong.com! )

The Internet may make one's stupidity more accessible, but only with a continuing infusion of cash.
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Let's not be hasty now! Bad Astronomy has a link where you can buy t-shirts, cups, hats and more. (Bad Astronomy has boxer shorts. Top that, galileowaswrong.com! )

The Internet may make one's stupidity more accessible, but only with a continuing infusion of cash.

But Phil's stuff is only available to those of you in the US
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Old 26-September-2006, 05:47 PM
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Here's a review:


Galileo Was Wrong, Vol. I Finally Released!

It is not crazy if you take the time to review the facts.

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Old 26-September-2006, 06:06 PM
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It is not crazy if you take the time to review the facts.
What facts? Geocentrism? Trust me--it's still crazy.
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Old 26-September-2006, 06:08 PM
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Excuse me? I like this comment taken from the review page.

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This is hilarious. It's basically trying to rubbish Einstein's theory of relativity. The last couple of lines give the game away.

Einstein's theory was forced upon us by observations such as the famous Michelson and Morley experiment. There have been countless tests of Einstein's theories and they have always stood. Every alternative theory has been falsified by numerous experiments.

The fact is that every experiment gives us no option but to believe that every point in the universe will seem to be the centre of the universe, that's the whole point of the theory.
What's to say after that?
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Old 26-September-2006, 06:10 PM
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Hi Gillian, you snuck one in on me as I was replying to Trth Skr.

Who I have a ten spot that sez he's a sockpuppet of some banned poster
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I find Wikipedia's article interesting on one of the authors...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sungenis
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Old 26-September-2006, 07:22 PM
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Excuse me? I like this comment taken from the review page.



What's to say after that?
Here's what I said (the next comment):

Mark Wyatt said... Read the book.

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I thought geocentrism was moribund. [Snip!]
No, geocentrism is not dead. It just smells funny.
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Mark,

Here's what I say: No

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This is the ATM section. If you have some "facts" that you want to defend, state them, and we can go from there.
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It seems that Relativity allows relativistic geocentrism, but not the absolutist Geocentrism espoused by galileowaswrong.com

Theoretically, what kind of observation would disprove Relativity, and what would we expect to see in the absolutist Geocentrist universe they revere?
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Old 26-September-2006, 11:42 PM
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It seems that Relativity allows relativistic geocentrism, but not the absolutist Geocentrism espoused by galileowaswrong.com

Theoretically, what kind of observation would disprove Relativity, and what would we expect to see in the absolutist Geocentrist universe they revere?
Back in post #3 of this thread, Van Rijn welcomed you to BAUT, and asked if you were going to defend the ATM ideas presented in the website to which you provided a link.

I may have missed it, but you didn't answer that question.

Permit me to re-ask it: are you, Tohu, prepared to defend the ATM ideas you have presented, in this thread?

Before you answer, you may wish to read the BAUT rules, especially the one that specifically covers this ATM section:
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13. Alternative Concepts

If you have some idea which goes against commonly-held astronomical theory, then you are welcome to argue it here. Before you do, though READ THIS THREAD FIRST. This is very important. Then, if you still want to post your idea, you will do so politely, you will not call people names, and you will defend your arguments. Direct questions must be answered in a timely manner.

People will attack your arguments with glee and fervor here; that's what science and scientists do. If you cannot handle that sort of attack, then maybe you need to rethink your theory, too. Remember: you came here. It's our job to attack new theories. Those that are strong will survive, and may become part of mainstream science.

Additionally, keep promotion of your theories and ideas to only those Against the Mainstream threads which discuss them. Hijacking other discussions to draw attention to your ideas will not be allowed.

If it appears that you are using circular reasoning, depending on long-debunked arguments, or breaking any of these other rules, you will receive one warning, and if that warning goes unheeded, you will be banned.
For avoidance of doubt, this is not a warning; you are new to BAUT and so are entitled to some slack.

However, we do expect that you will make your intentions clear, in the next day or two.
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Old 27-September-2006, 12:03 AM
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