Hi I'm new here and I've been following this planet X stuff off and on, and I don't really have a solid opinion for either side. All I know is anything is possible and any civilization can be wiped out at any given moment and governments will do everything to hide and deny the truth from the public to avoid absolute terror and disorder. It seems to me Planet X does exist and the earth's poles are ready to shift at any moment (a view i think pretty much all scientists agree on), but no one (at least publicly) knows when. I hope this isn't true and find myself happy to see intelligent astronomers debunk, but there is a part of me that senses that something big is near, and by near I mean from now to 3 years from now.

Anyway, I read this news and found it a little weird: http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle....toryID=2714004
not to mention the huge news story today of close to 200 people getting "sucke out" of an airplane. If all of this is true (and a very big IF), what a clever way for the government to prepare than to have soldiers and emergency workers ready for simulated attacks, which just happen to be on the very week some astronomers have been predicting Planet X to near us. Well my 2 cents. Peace.

Ummm... yes... I think you're the only person that finds this very conincidental.

Direct from sky news.... SEVEN people were sucked from the plane. Not 200.... (although Im confused about what that has to do with planet x)


The full news story is here:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...090179,00.html


Planet X does NOT exsist Im afraid. Look at the facts... if it did then we would be able to see it and it would be all over the news. NO ONE can cover up a massive great red planet heading towards the Earth! Not even the apparent All seeing-All knowing Government!

As for the US government staging a Training Terrorist Attack... What would be the point? If this planet was coming to kill us, the science says we would all die from something or another... be it 800 MPH winds, famine, disease, extremities of heat or cold etc. What the hell could the government do???

All they are doing is trying to make our planet safer from a VERY REAL threat. Not an Imaginary one.

Ok, neither you nor I know 100% if it does exist or not. But a lot of very high respected astronomers believe it does (and doesn't) so there is at least something going on there. Sure it probably isn't May 15 when it'll near us, but perhaps sometime soon. We don't know for a fact what planet X would look like in the sky, much less if the government could actually cover it up.

And I agree the training simulation for next week isn't anything compared to the destruction a pole shift would cause, so I'm sure it's nothing. But there will be people alive after a poll shift, and those people will need help. There's nothing you can do for the majority of people but let them live their lives to the end in blissful ignorance, but the people that do remain, if any, are needed to reshape the world.

Welcome to the Board no1! I'll take the time to introduce you to the BABB . . .

First, you should be careful about posting wide-spread accusations without evidence. For example, I didn't realize governments will do everything to hide and deny truth from the public. Could you provide us with some evidence please?

The posters at this Board disagree with the Planet X/pole shifting scenario. By reading the threads on this forum you will find a lot of evidence against PX. Hopefully, this will ease your concerns about the existance of PX and any 'impending doom' scenario.

In regards to the 'all scientists agree', again that is a wide-sweeping statement that needs to be supported. Which scientists agree on the PX scenario? If you have read articles or websites attesting to this please let us know what they are so we can see them for ourselves.

Hopefully reading this forum will allay your concerns. There is no astronomical basis for the existance of PX zooming by the Earth. I know that there are also some old threads on the Board that discuss concerns about asteroid impacts. Do a search for them, other people have come here with concerns similar to yours so their posts might make for interesting reading.

A very, very, very big IF indeed. The article noted that the government was holding simulations in three or four cities, one would think that they would be doing this in many, many more cities if this was to prepare for PX.

Also, if these were 'covers' for the PX emergency, isn't it nice to know that your government cares enough to have emergency personnel ready and prepared to help you? Sounds like a caring government to me. (And I used to live in Vancouver so I found it especially nice that this will extend to that city as well, and its not even in the US! How neighbourly.)

As for the airline tragedy, please understand that it is a big world out there and everyday, somewhere, something unfortunate is going to happen. It does not mean that there is some overall evil effect causing it.

Peace to you as well.

Also, even Nancy has now said that the Poleshift will be taking place late this month rather than the middle. Those dates are the ones where the world is meant to stop rotating ( )

As far as i know, there is no evidence in the fossil records that indicate any mass extinction during a pole shift. More than likely it will happen when it happens and you won't notice a thing until you happen to look at a compass.

I am searching for a link to a reliable authority to help show the evidence to back up my statement. So untill then this is only an opinion...

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Your'e gonna hafta be more specific. Who are these scientists that you claim support the PX scenario? I have never heard of a credible scientist supporting Zetatalks' bunk. However; if you are refering to Planet X meanig: a stable orbital planet beyond the orbit of Pluto, then IIRC, there are many scientists who are split on that theory.


One thing to remember is that there is no guarantee that nothing will happen in the near future (an asteroid impact, comet impact, ect... ), but to put it into perspective...The New Horizons mission to Pluto will take nearly 14 years to reach our furthest planet, and thats' at pretty high speed. If something big was coming our way within 3 years from now, IMHO we would have notice it well before hand.

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Firstly...Yes I believe it is true, Planet X is coming (date of arrival... May 15 - May 22 to June 15, 2003...exact date unknown) as it does every 3600 years, causing the Earth's Poles to shift, among other things. There is plenty of information. I've been getting it for the last 20 years in one form or another..prophecies abound..geological evidence is unmistakable, yet the Truth is 'ignored.' To serve the self-serving, who knew and did nothing except to hide the truth from the 'masses,' and rape and plunder everything they could in the meantime. Suicidal death wish..we are all engaged...fighting to the death. Yet we still cannot believe it's happening. Believe it and Do Something About It! The most current and accurate information about the Pole Shift can be found at zetatalk.com and the sister site troubledtimes.com has a lot of good information on alternative and emergency living. It will shake your foundations if you do not have an open mind already. Aliens et al. Surviving the shift without the Grid, which will not be functioning if such a Shift should occur, will not be easy. How will you live without Hydro, without supermarkets? One should always be prepared for a 'natural' disaster...earthquake, flood, drought.

Secondly, this Lunar Eclipse thing. Sorry I haven't seen the postings about it, but I wanted to relate this anyway....I became suspicious when I saw Stargazer...jackstargazer.com this week on TV, and he talked about the upcoming double Eclipse of the moon on May 15 which will have an orange, reddish, copper glow, claiming that all lunar eclipses appear this way, reddish, orange, due to the bending of light, blah, blah. Well, this is very coincidental timing to Planet X's expected arrival and to it's colour description. So hmmmm, what do you think? Is this true about lunar eclipses appearing this way...reddish, orange, cooper glow?

Also, there is plenty of evidence for past pole shifts and mass extinctions..what we call 'evolution.' Mountain building, the Flood...the biblical story of how Moses parted the Red Sea...these are the result of the Poles Shifting.

Blessings

Welcome to the board blackmadonna!

What I find interesting about this is that people often view the aftermath of potential disasters as situations in which individuals will have to survive on their own. Before Y2K people began stocking up on all kinds of goods and supplies assuming they might have to subsist on their own resources for many months. Having some supplies on hand for emergencies is a good idea, but time and again around the world, when a disaster strikes people pitch in and work together.

Assuming anybody survives an asteroid impact or any of the other doom and gloom predictions, wouldn't we expect that the survivors will work together and through combining their individual talents and skills do what it takes to survive - or die trying?

Yes, I've seen this before c. 1990. It's true. Thanks for playing.

See you next week.


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Yes, welcome! How long have you believed PX exists? Well...maybe there's still hope for you. :-? Hate to burst your bubble...but PX is not coming, not even with 15 extra days of wriggle-room. Its 3600-year orbit as described is impossible. Prophecies (particularly apocalypse prophecies) have a long record of being wrong. There is no geological evidence for it. There is, however, plenty of evidence against ZetaTalk, so why should we believe or worry about it?

You know the sunset appears red and orange. In a lunar eclipse, this red and orange light is refracted onto the moon. It's happened before. Simple, huh

There's no blah, blah, blah in what he said. A few years ago I watched a lunar eclipse that was 92% of total from my location. The Moon had distinct color bands of yellow, orange, and red across its disk with the red being the part most deeply immersed in the Earth's shadow. It was beautiful!

Question - why would you accept the doom and gloom predictions with no evidence while the solid scientific explanations for what happens you take as a bunch of blah, blah, blatherings?

I'd suggest reading some back issues of Sky & Telescope magazine or Astronomy
magazine dealing with prior total lunar eclipses. You'll find they all mention the
reddish, coppery glow. A list of dates of past lunar eclipses can be found here.
Magazines from the months of the total eclipses will contain descriptions of what to
expect, and issues from a few months later will contain pictures.

(And for those readers who haven't seen the Eclipse web site, it's
worth a look. Lots of information on upcoming solar and lunar eclipses, and lists of
solar eclipses from 1999BC to AD 4000 (!) and lunar eclipses from 1999 BC to AD
3000.)

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I witnessed a lunar eclipse in Perth, Western Australia in the 1980's the moon went blood red at the height of the eclipse. The most erie part of the eclipse was its halfway point with the moon being part white and the rest this deep red colour.

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In my opinion, blackmadonna is either:

A. A troll
B. Someone from these boards playing a little joke on us
C. no1 using a different name to make us believe someone else is here who believes in it

I doubt they're a true believer, because Lord knows that any of Nancy's followers wouldn't be able to have a valid argument with any of us regarding Planet X. It's most likely A, as we've had trolls come to our boards before, but like I said, it's possibly a normal user from our boards just having fun with us and playing a joke on us (maybe the BA would be able to see their IP number and match it up with another user on the boards). I'm not sure if blackmadonna is just another account created by no1, as I can't see IP numbers. Maybe the BA can, but even so, no1 could've just used a seperate computer to post as blackmadonna, and thus he could have a different I.P. number with that account (it's happened with me before, using seperate modems for seperate computers).

Anyway, to sum all that up, they're probably not a "true believer".

Yea, hi blackmadonna. Of course, you are welcome to your opinion but just some food for thought here:

Maybe you'd like to throw some of this 'geological evidence' this way?

What makes a self-serving person? Someone who touts the end of the world, tries to sell her books, writes a script for a movie in the hope of selling it and tries to shrug off the consequences of their actions? Wow! Sounds like Miss ZetaTalk herself!

ACCURATE INFORMATION!!! MWHAHAHA, I have yet to see any of her predictions entirely come true! Every prediction without exception is either a 100% dead-cert or full of 'Get Out of Jail Free' cards. Remember the Iraq prediction? She said the US wouldn't be allowed to attack Iraq... or that's what it seemed as though she was saying. When the tanks rolled across the border, the statement took on a whole new light. Also, if I want advice on emergency living, I wouldn't go to the poor info on ZT. Give me an SAS survival book anyday!

You talk of open mindedness. What constitutes open mindedness? Following an elderly womans preechings blindly, without a shread of evidence apart from some dodgey sightings and forged pictures? I think open-mindedness is the ability to accept new ideas, weigh the evidence, and make a decision based on that evidence. Based on the ZT evidence, heh, I think I'm backing the right team

Yea, it is coincidental... very lucky that Nancy chose that date, eh? Just one thing though: the moon is going to look like its usual silvery-self until the eclipse. It won't just 'appear' from nowhere.

I want to see evidence of pole shifts. Again, I am yet to be convinced. Mass extinctions, yes they have happened. But do you have any proof they weren't caused by something as mundane as an asteroid?

And then we come to the Red Sea, my all time favourite! Go to the store and buy a Bible: you'll see that the latest editions talk of the REED SEA, an area of swampy lands that chariots could easily have been bogged down in. This revelation came after the scriptures were re-translated. The Red Sea never did part. Mose's and his followers waded across the REED SEA where Pharoah's men got bogged down. Believe me, the evidence for a Pole Shift is pretty slim... gonna need more evidence then a hit and run posting so why not come back and substantiate these claims? You are welcome to and I do mean that.

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I agree, this sounds very alarming. Even the most thick-headed people must understand after this evidence what is going to happen. And these news are not all, lot's of weird things are happening, but because of media conspiracy, they are not reported. A few personal examples:

This morning, I got out the door and started walking towards my car, when I noticed something terrible. My shoe lace was untied!!! Naturally, CIA had been in my room during the night, they had untied my shoes, and were hoping that I would fall down and hurt myself, just that they could send an ambulance over. Fortunately I was careful and their plan failed. Spooky eh?

Then another thing, yeasterday, I was sitting in my office, when it suddenly started raining outside!!! And it lasted for about an hour, and a few hours after that the sun was shining again!!!! If this is not enough evidence, then what is??? Coincidence? No way. The really strange thing was, that the weather forecast in the morning didn't say anything about raining. Again, conspiracy is really wide spread. Even though, I didn't actually see the forecast in the morning, but I presume they "forgot" to mention something about it.

But today I saw the best evidence so far. I was going to the local small supermarket, but there were no parking spaces available! I had to leave my car at least 100 metres away and walk. Imagine, another clear attempt from CIA to injure me in the traffic, by forcing me to walk.

And for everybody who want's to be saved, I heard that the Zetas will resque all people who want to be resqued, from the North Pole, at noon, on May 14. Everybody, let's start moving over there, not much time to waste.
Oh, I don't want to die.....

Two things:

Adding my voice to the others. Yes, I've seen a lunar eclipse, and yes, it's a coppery red color--very beautiful.

Second, just exactly what is it you would have people do about it? All that can be done is sit back, relax, and enjoy life. No Planet X is coming.

I'm not sure if its 'C' but it does appear pretty coincidental. It's moot though, and this thread is still good for helping people lurking at the Board who might be worried about PX. Let's consider this a little lesson in showing that many doomsayers who 'know' everything actually have no substance behind their allegations.

Edited to add: I haven't seen a lunar eclipse yet

Survey says...*Woodchuch pops out of hole*

I've seen Lunar Eclipses before, I saw one when I was 10 or so, I remember the color being very red, with some variations. It's just as Jack Stargazer was describing it.

I've seen a partial solar eclipse before, I used my dad's welding helmet to view it, and it looked nice!

Taz: You can get different IP addys from a normal modem. You usually don't keep the same IP after you sign off, that's called a dynamic IP address, it changes when you log on and off. (like I said, usually)
If you're lucky enough to have DSL or Cable. the company usually gives you a static IP. This is best for webhosting.

As far as survivial goes...New England has militia. You don't hear about them because they keep quiet and don't make themselves known. As far as food...I live on an aquafer and I see deer almost every day 300 ft or less from my porch. I'm good to go

I hope you're joking since you sound totally nuts! Your examples make me laugh so much, i cant help myself to stop......

I assume sarcasm is quite hard to convey over the internet!

C. was my first impression.

Welcome to the board. You'll find a lot of people who are expert in many fields posting here. It's a good place to hang out.


It depends, as one person said, how you read the information. Remember that the BEST evidence is "go outside and look." If a planet larger than the moon was just outside the orbit of the moon (which is where it would need to be to arrive next week), how hard would it be to see?

Go outside. Look. You can see the moon during the daytime. This planet is supposedly brighter than the moon. So why haven't you or anyone else seen it?

We would have been seeing this thing looming in the sky at the same spot for the past 5 years.

If it WAS real, this board would be FULL of people scrambling for options. If there was a 15 foot tall T.Rex wandering around the neighborhood, I'd sure be doing something about it. However, you don't see me or anyone else preparing for marauding dinosaurs in the neighborhood because there aren't any.

I was involved in the Y2K Disaster That Did Not Happen (I'm a computer geek and had to listen to all this as I certified hardware and software.) What I found was that few people understood what the Grid was like and how it functioned. The Zetatalk speculations are just warmed-over Y2K speculations and are ... simply not true.

You are aware that we've known about this lunar eclipse... indeed about every single lunar AND solar eclipse for hundreds of years... aren't you? The calculations are very simple. We can even predict "red moon" lunar eclipses for the next 500 years (or more.)

It's not something that just shows up to surprise us. They occur regularly, just like the sun rising.

Having seen many lunar eclipses over the course of my lifetime, I can say this is true.

There's a nice picture of typical eclipses including a "blood red" one here:
http://www.mreclipse.com/LEphoto/LEgallery2.html

Yes, in the form of lines of magnetisim in the rocks.

There's not a lot of correlation between mass extinctions and magnetic pole reversals. Although people tend to think there were only one or two "mass extinctions", the truth is that there have been many (at least five):
http://www.ifrance.com/dinosaurs/thr...xtinctions.htm

I'm afraid not. Mountains are built gradually through tectonic processes. There is no evidence outside the Bible of the Red Sea parting, and there are many versions of the Flood story... and some societies don't have any flood myths.

None of them correlate to any pole shifting (magnetic or otherwise.)

Furthermore, we have records (written) of civilizations from the time when the Earth would have gone through the flood and "last pole shift." I'm afraid these ancients don't record any mass extinctions, floods, or comets.

And for everybody who want's to be saved, I heard that the Zetas will resque all people who want to be resqued, from the North Pole, at noon, on May 14. Everybody, let's start moving over there, not much time to waste.

Ah, :-? you don't know if the zetas will be running a shuttle service to the north pole do you, or is there a park and ride? i'v got quite a few bags, its' a bit of a walk an i'v 'heard' that the New World Order have been spotted training up the polar bears for search and destroy missions. 8)
or was it the illuminati? , no, no, got that wrong, think they are supplying the landing strip lights.

Doh - I wasn't suppost to mention that! Oh well here goes, Undisclosed, (extreeeeeeemly high up, you understand) sources, annonmously e-mailed me to let me know that they have 'arranged' a pick up, by 'our friends' to take before mentioned people (and nancy) off world to a (as yet) undiscoled location - could be the moon base, but don't quote me on that - ergo the rest of us will be rid of them, :wink: it's a bit of a favour really and we have had to call in a few of our markers (globaly speaking) but the coucil of worlds agreed that it was worth it.

In fact ... I should'nt really repeat this but ...they are quite fed up with her too, thinking of sueing for misrepresentation. Apparently ... and this is only hear say you understand ... they picked up the wrong chanel when they first dialled in, proplems with the wiring :roll: ... got tuned in an stuck with it..

now... as i am on a roll suppose i could let this out of the bag too .. just promise not to spred it around :wink: The moon turning red, well, how can I put this without crushing you all utterly, That first moon landing, not a hoax i am afraid ... but, well, what they forgot to tell you was they were wiring it up, (one of the council of world agreements i am afraid, we did try to fight it but they insisted) its a galactic traffic light, Red = stop of course. As it turned out its been quite handy,
Zeta Hi is a bit ****ed though, as it means they will all be late for the u turn. So as long as the moon doesn't turn green we're sorted.
Problem is, guess whos got their finger on the button - bummer that ! :wink:

I never said i fully believe Planet X exists, I am not sure where people got that idea, all i said was I won't 100% dismiss the fact that it might exist like other people do. And 298 tornadoes in 1 week they're reporting, that is pretty wild.

Yes, 298 tornadoes in 1 week is wild, but not impossible. They've been having tornadoes like that for a while now. It's all part of the weather cycle. It'll pass, and there will be a period of relaltive calm.

If your from the US you'll know what I mean.

I live in Vermont and we've had mebbe 1-2 twisters as far as I know.

~Josh

Now if there were 298 tornadoes in one week in Vermont, I'd be concerned. 298 tornadoes in the southern mid-west this time of year? That's pretty normal. You're just being paranoid.

Remember the "summer of the shark" when the media reported on all those shark attacks? Statistically shark attacks were actually down slightly that year. Same thing is going on here. You're looking for some "evidence" and since you don't normally pay attention to tornadoes, you think you're seeing something unusual.

BTW, no real scientist I have ever heard of supports the existence of PX. Is that because we are closed-minded and refuse to accept something that might be out of the ordinary? No, but for it to exist it would have to be both invisible and not be able to interact gravitationally with other parts of the solar system. In my mind, that's the same as not existing.

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