Jon asteroid impact force is one of the forces for formation giant Lunar magma basins here.
Eg, 1, (Sea of Crises) N 8; billions of years ago Moon's crust was very thin when asteroid impact created "Sea of Crises" Giant magma basin. Pressure into asthenosphere of the Moon by this time was not enough to fill fully this basin, and because there were not covered surrounded places of "Sea of Crises" by magma of asthenosphere.
Eg, 2, (Sea of Rains) After asteroid impact Pressure into asthenosphere of the Moon by this time was enough to fill fully this basin "Sea of Rains". Huge mass of magma was flow out, covered surrounded places, created high mountain chains. eruption from asthenosphere was so huge, there were covered by magma surrounded places behind mountain chaines (Sea of Cold), and there were deleted (destroy) part of arc-ridges around "Sea of Rains" .
WHY... in one case Pressure into asthenosphere of the Moon was small.
WHY... in second case Pressure into astenosphere of the Moon was so huge.

Readers and posters, this questions are not only by Jon Clarke

Cran I HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN WE'LL DISCUSS THIS TOPICS LATER .

Good, we agree. Impacts created raised rims, called mountain ranges.

How do you know the crust was very thin during the Crisium impact?

How do you know the Moon had an aesthenosphere at this time?

The lava filling the Imbrium basin did not create the mountain chains, as you assert in your first sentance. These were already there. The lava outflows partly overwhelmed existing mountians, as you recognise in your second sentence.
These are interesting questions. I am not sure we know enough about the Moon for definitive answers. We also have the problem that the lunar farside basins are, for the most part, not filled by mare material.

But this is secondary to the fact that the mountains ranges on the Moon, both near and farside are formed by the rims of large impact basins. The absence of plate tectonics on the Moon does mean that mountains are a problem.

Jon

Originally Posted by JonClarke
How do you know the crust was very thin during the Crisium impact?
Evidence is into "East sea". Asteroid impact could not created sea of magma inside. Impact of asteroid created only few huge rims around (mountain chaines), because asthenosphere has already been into solid aggregation state by this time. Geoevolution of Moon geospheres has already been finished... When crust was thin above astenosphere of the Moon, asteroid impact long before "East sea" formation could created only one rim from destroyed crust around impact and magma sea (basins) inside (on the temporary opened asthenosphere).
ACCORDING COSMOGEOLOGICAL THEORY ALL INNER GEOSPHERES OF SPACE BODIES UNDERGONE SAME GEOEVOLUTION, ONLY SIZES OF GEOSPHERES WERE DIFFERENT.
How do you know the Moon had an(the) aesthenosphere at this time?
Magma basins known as the "SEAS" could created only temporary opened asthenosphere red-hot masses of the Moon.
There are other flow features that arose billions of years ago, when the moon hadn't cooledd
Long before crust formation all surface of the Moon was opened asthenosphere ocean About geoevolution of spacebodies you can read everything www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-10.htm

The lava filling the Imbrium basin did not create the mountain chains, as you assert in your first sentance.
I wrote about second huge geological force. only this force could created high mountain chains from destroyed crust around asteroid's impact (around sea of rains). This huge geological force still unknown for mankind and geologists too. If you have already read first letter of this thread, you can easy understand what force was that. There is not anything about the Moon but geoforces into spacebodies are same.


These were already there. The lava outflows (from astenosphere of the Moon???...) partly overwhelmed existing mountians, as you recognise in your second sentence. (but part of arc-ridges was deleted (destroyed) by huge outflows,
well, why did not decrease level into magma basin (sea of rains) after so huge eruption???... I'll send to you my book (as the gift with my autograph) if you send me right ansver.


These are interesting questions. I am not sure we know enough about the Moon for definitive answers. -You'll answer if you raed the first letter again. We also have the problem that the lunar farside basins are, for the most part, not filled by mare material. -Because there were never waters seas and oceans or its waves. there are only solid magma basins of temporary opened asthenosphere masses of the Moon.

But this is secondary (-important) to the fact that the (small) mountains ranges on the Moon, both near and farside are formed by the rims of large impact basins (destroyed crust of the Moon). The absence of plate tectonics on the Moon does mean that (high) mountain chaines) are a problem. (Because high mountain chains could create only huge inner geoforce from destroyed tiles of crust)...(
We are near one of the important discovery in the Astronomy and Geology.
NAME OF THIS HUGE INNER GEOFORCE IS ................ !

M, I think I see where you're headed. Good luck. More Monday.

Have a Happy New Year,

Regards, John M.

I'm discussing to another John...
I wish you all the best and happy new year.
Very cold winter in the my country, I'm at home, at the fireplace and thinking about science, about fate of our Earth, about my friends and virtual friends, etc. Until March I have a lot of free time for discoveries.
It would be very interesting to discuss with two John about Moon.
John I have already found first strong evidence for my Cosmogeological Theory... on the Moon... Nothing unbelievable... On the Moon water and atmosphere circulation could not delete tracks of geocatastrophes, because Moon never had atmosphere and water oceans.
I'll answer all your questions...
Good luck,
Margiani

You have no questions?
Please answer me... On the Moon is huge track of huge outflow (from asthenosphere???...) around "sea of rains" Why did not decrease level of magma into this huge magma basin "sea of rains"? This basin losted so huge masses of magma.
I can not remember exactly how many volcano caldera were found by american astronauts on the Moon. Only asthenosphere masses could create Volcano of the Moon billions of years ago when Moon was hot. Does it means.... Moon had own asthenosphere by this time.
I'm waiting answeres by SERENTUDE, OZZY and another readers too.
1. Why did not decrease level of magma into "sea of rains"?
2. Had Moon own asthenosphere billions of years ago when Moon was hot?

Your answer especially important.... I'm waiting..........

1. Why did not decrease level of magma into "sea of rains"?
2. Had Moon own asthenosphere billions of years ago when Moon was hot?

Margiani, I shouldn't have to remind you that you are in breach of the rules and protocols of this ATM forum ... you have failed to address the outstanding questions that were presented to you prior to your request to have this discussion closed until the New Year ... you have instead chosen to introduce a new topic (the Moon) ... and have done so by asking questions, instead of providing information ...

Further, you brought up the subject of our private exchanges, and inferred that I have helped you prove your theory ... this is simply untrue ...
by bringing up the matter, it was only fair that the other participants in this discussion be informed as to the nature and content of those exchanges ...

The participants in this discussion (and the moderators) have been very tolerant with you ... we have even gone so far as to provide you with the information you requested about the formation of ridges on the Moon ... I note that "ridges" became "mountains" shortly after; a generic change geologically speaking ...

The core subjects of this discussion were mass extinctions, ocean formation, cave-dwelling mammoths, and giant worms ... if there is a point to your bringing the Moon into this discussion, then make the point... and get back to the questions you were obliged to answer when this discussion was reopened ...

If you ever again dare to criticise me or anyone else for keeping this discussion on the relevent topics ... or if you continue to dodge the questions about the core points that you have already raised ... then I will come down on you like a chunk of collapsed planet's core ... and I will press the moderators to shut this topic down until you are completely prepared to answer the questions which have been put to you!

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I have already found first strong evidence for my Cosmogeological Theory... on the Moon... Nothing unbelievable... On the Moon water and atmosphere circulation could not delete tracks of geocatastrophes, because Moon never had atmosphere and water oceans.
Only asteroid impact could not create arc-ridges ,where is deleted part of arc-ridges into Imbrium magma basin. Billions of years ago Moon's asthenosphere's inner pressure could create only volcano eruptions and crustquakes. Moon's asthenosphere's inner pressure was not enough to create magma's "seas" and "ocean"... (solid magma basins)
Asteroid impact force is only one of the formation forces of the Moon surface and giant Lunar magma basins. Unknown second force and huge outflow track from "sea of rains" are the strong evidences of the Cosmogeolical Theory and important discovery in the a Astronomy and in the geology...!!!
Eg, 1, (Sea of Crises) billions of years ago Moon's crust was very thin when asteroid impact created "Sea of Crises", Giant magma basin. Pressure into asthenosphere of the Moon by this time was not enough to fill fully this basin, and because there were not covered surrounded places of "Sea of Crises" by magma of asthenosphere.
Eg, 2, (Sea of Rains) After asteroid impact Pressure into asthenosphere of the Moon by this time was enough to fill fully this basin "Sea of Rains". Huge mass of magma was flow out, covered surrounded places, created high mountain chains around huge outflow and submerged part of arc ridges into the magma "sea". eruption from asthenosphere was so huge, there were covered by magma surrounded places behind mountain chains (Sea of Cold), and there were deleted (destroyed) part of arc-ridges around "Sea of Rains" .
WHY... in one case Pressure into asthenosphere of the Moon was so small.
WHY... in second case Pressure into astenosphere of the Moon was so huge.
How do I know the crust was very thin during the Crisium impact?
-Evidence is into "mare orientale". Asteroid impact could not create huge magma basin inside of the "mare orientale". Impact of asteroid created only few huge rims around (small mountain chains from destroyed crust), because asthenosphere has already been into solid aggregation state by this time. Geoevolution of the Moon geospheres has already been finished...
-When crust was thin above ancient astenosphere of the Moon, asteroid impact long before "mare orientale" formation could create only one rim from destroyed crust around impact and magma sea (basin) inside (on the temporary opened asthenosphere ocean).
ACCORDING COSMOGEOLOGICAL THEORY ALL INNER GEOSPHERES OF SPACE BODIES UNDERGONE SAME GEOEVOLUTION, THERE WERE ONLY SIZES OF GEOSPHERES VERY DIFFERENT.
How do I know the Moon had the aesthenosphere at this time?
-Magma basins known as the "SEAS" could create only temporary opened asthenosphere red-hot masses of the Moon.
-There are other outflow features (of course from asthenosphere???...) that arose billions of years ago, when the moon hadn't cooled. Long before crust formation all surface of the Moon was opened asthenosphere ocean.
-"American astronaut found volcano's caldera on the Moon" -It is important evidence for the Cosmogeological theory, because only ancient asthenosphere's could create volcano on the Moon
 About geoevolution of spacebodies you can read everything www.cosmogeology.ge/chapter-10.htm
Second huge geological force created Huge outflow... filled the Imbrium basin. Only this huge geoforce could create all high mountain chains from destroyed crust tiles, around asteroid's impact (Imbrium basin). This huge geological force of the Moon still unknown for mankind and geologists too, but geoforces into spacebodies are same. Part of arc-ridges was deleted (destroyed) by huge outflows.
Important fact that, the small mountains ranges on the Moon, both near and far side are formed by the rims of large impact basins (destroyed crust of the Moon). The absence of plate tectonics on the Moon does mean that high mountain chains are a problem for Geology but not for Cosmogeology, Because high mountain chains could create only huge inner geoforce from destroyed tiles of the crust... We also have the problem of Geology that, the lunar far side basins are, for the most part, not filled by mare material, but it is not problem For Cosmogeology because there were never waters seas and oceans or its waves. there are only solid magma basins on the temporary opened ancient asthenosphere ocean of the Moon. We are near one of the important discovery in the Astronomy and Geology.
  Why did not decrease level of magma into Imbrium magma basin after so huge eruption???... Answer on this Question you never find in the Geology or Astronomy. Answer is only in the Cosmogeology and this answer is important and STRONG EVIDENCE!!!

NAME OF THIS HUGE INNER GEOFORCE IS ...-EB- GEOTRANSFER!!!

It means... COSMOGEOLOGICAL THEORY IS TRUTH!
P.S. IMPACT OF ASTEROID WAS "DETONATOR" OF -EB- GEOTRANSFER ON THE MOON BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO.....!!! AS SIMILAR IMPACT OF ASTEROID WAS "DETONATOR" OF -EB- GEOTRANSFER ON THE EARTH 65 MILLION YEARS AGO...!!!

It's illegible, but it's in multiple colours and LOTS OF CAPS! I totally believe it now.

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"You can't erase icing."

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Oh boy. It seems you want to skip education, research, mathematics, hypothesis, falsifiability, multiple, redundant and reproducable experimentation, corroborating, observable results on other planets, refinement, submission, refereeing, publication, peer-review, and go straight to the website and book.

Ugh. Where to begin? Let me think for a bit on this.

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Serenitude...
Do not try never to ignore my extraordinary claim, because it has not so small foundation of different sciences...
MARGIANI,
THANKS

Margiana...is it your intention to continue to ignore cran's latest post??

If so then you need to re-read the rules of this board...

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There were bring a lot of evidenses many years ago by American astronauts from MOON!!!... But they forgeted to send evidences for you.
If you don't believe evidences of NASA.........................
You can fly to the MOON.............................................

Thank you for support........
Margiani

You're really not one to be talking about ignoring things...you completely ignored cran's post and you ignored my post where I advised you to read the rules of this board....

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Now, now, let's not squabble, guys. This is the most entertaining thread I've encountered. If you want, I can consult with my business partner, Donna, of mammoth cave nest fame, and we can examine her Theory of Accumulating Gravity. That ought to set off another round of heated discussion.

Seriously, M., be sure to answer the questions reasonably. Large magma (? doesn't seem like the right word for icy bodies . . .) flows may be more important for planetary objects than we think. Certainly, at this point, only on Earth do we see plates and continental drift. Mars and Venus show signs of similar tectonic activity, but nothing on the scale of Earth's. All three, however, have huge flows. And personally, I'm willing to bet that accumulated impacts are the major planetary formation event everywhere.

Margiani, at your request, this thread was re-opened.

Per my 27 November, 2006 post (quoted above), you indicated you will be answering questions about your ATM idea around now.

There are quite a few such questions in this thread.

Please start to answer them.

If you require clarification, please ask for it.

If you do not know the answer, or cannot answer, please say so.

If you need more time to answer, please say so (and provide an estimate of when you will answer).

Please do not post anything, in this thread or any other in BAUT, until you have answered the direct, pertinent, open questions about your ATM idea, as you have presented it.

You may choose which questions to answer first; however, I recommend that the questions in cran's post of 26 November would be a good place to start.

Finally, this is a warning - if you do not start to answer these questions, in your next BAUT posts, you will be banned.

If you have a questions about the moon please. I know rule but I waited answers during all week...
about Cran I have already written... on january, 5

John I think detonator impact is more right... Without detonator impact event can happen too...I have evidence.
accumulated pressure impact is into E geosphere...
I'm claiming Seriously...

Soon I'll finish discuss about the Moon and I'll open thread for Cran...

As I stated previously, it is up to you which order you address the open questions in ... as long as the only posts you write, to this thread or any other in BAUT, are answers to such questions.

Also, when you answer a question, please either copy the question (so we can all see which one it is that you're answering), or provide a reference (e.g. a post number, of a link to the specific post in which the question was posted), or both.

M, do you mean explosive impact?

As an aside, Harry Turtledove in his book "Homeward Bound", has the Earthlings threaten the aliens with starships impacting their planets at c/2. Only a moment of reflection is required to realize what an awesome threat this would be.

Yes explosive impact! There were a lot of asteroid and meteorite impact on the Earth during geoevolution, all impact could not create -EB- geotransfer(EVENT)
1. If impact force of accumulated pressure into E geosphere is small... necessary
big asteroid impact
2. If impact force of accumulated pressure into E geosphere is big -EB- geotransfer (EVENT) can create small asteroid.
3. If impact force of accumulated pressure into E geosphere is huge -EB- geotransfer (EVENT) can start without impact or after one underground nuclear explosion
after event into E geosphere impact force of accumulated pressure is small.
then at the DE boundary liquid masses little by little are changing aggregation state. this process needs 10 percent more volume for solid masses. (AT THE END OF GEOEVOLUTION WHEN ALL IT'S GEOSPHERE HAS SOLID AGGREGATION STATE EVERY SPACEBODY HAS ABOUT 10 PERCENT MORE VOLUME THAN DURING LIQUID STAGE) Now into Earth's E geosphere is accumulating little by little impact force of accumulated pressure during 65 million years.
thanks,
Margiani

I'M STILL WAITING QUESTIONS OR SUPPORTS ABOUT THIS TOPIC OR
ABOUT ANOTHER STRONG EVIDENCE BY READERS(LETTER #100)

LAW OF INCRESCENT

VOLUME OF ALL SPACEBODIES, ARE INCREASING DURING GEOEVOLUTION, FROM LIQUID TO THE SOLID CONDITIONS. (Second law of Cosmogeology)
Moon has already finished its geoevolution. Because there are impossible crustquakes, subduction zones, volcano eruptions, interaction of crust tiles, mountains growth, -EB- geotransfers (event)....
The Earth is space body. Second law of Cosmogeology is law for Earth too, but it is a lot of permanent tragedy (event) for alive world... I'm very sorry...
This thread... under attention of many serious intellectuals, and I think they are agree...
Who is disagree... please... you can prove...
Who agree, you can support me in your future investigations, and please send URL of my site (cosmogeology.ge) for your friends

[QUOTE=Margiani;897631] Originally Posted by JonClarke
How do you know the crust was very thin during the Crisium impact?
Evidence is into "East sea". Asteroid impact could not created sea of magma inside. Impact of asteroid created only few huge rims around (mountain chaines), because asthenosphere has already been into solid aggregation state by this time. Geoevolution of Moon geospheres has already been finished... When crust was thin above astenosphere of the Moon, asteroid impact long before "East sea" formation could created only one rim from destroyed crust around impact and magma sea (basins) inside (on the temporary opened asthenosphere)./QUOTE]

This is simple assertion, not evidence for a thin lunar crust.

How is this relevant?

Assertion again, not evidence that the Moon had an aesthenosphere.

You are conflating two very different things, an aesthenosphere, which is a zone of partial melting in the mantle, and a magma ocean, which is a surface layer of completely molten material.

[QUOTE=Margiani;897631]
The lava filling the Imbrium basin did not create the mountain chains, as you assert in your first sentance.
I wrote about second huge geological force. only this force could created high mountain chains from destroyed crust around asteroid's impact (around sea of rains). This huge geological force still unknown for mankind and geologists too. If you have already read first letter of this thread, you can easy understand what force was that. There is not anything about the Moon but geoforces into spacebodies are same./QUOTE]

There is no need to pstulate unknown forces to create the lunar mountain chains. Knowen forces, asteroid impact, are completely adequate.

[QUOTE=Margiani;897631]
These were already there. The lava outflows (from astenosphere of the Moon???...) partly overwhelmed existing mountians, as you recognise in your second sentence. (but part of arc-ridges was deleted (destroyed) by huge outflows,
well, why did not decrease level into magma basin (sea of rains) after so huge eruption???... I'll send to you my book (as the gift with my autograph) if you send me right ansver.

You have not provided evidence for a lunar aesthenosphere or anything else for that matter.

Are you reading what other people have posted? There are other processes that create mountains other than plate tectonics. Saying that mountains on the Moon are a problem because there are no plate tectonics on the Moon is a straw man argument.

Jon

Perhaps I am missing something...

...but I don't see any questions being answered...

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But . . . but . . . it's bright red and in caps! How can we doubt it?

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I have closed this thread and suspended Margiani because Margiani has been warned about advertising his site, among other things, and has ignored the warning.

Hopefully on returning, some straight answers will be provided.

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