found here:

http://www.zetabc.com/index/c2cphil.htm

Good info for Phil Plait to read up on:

History of Zetatalk from a cult member:
http://website.lineone.net/~brian_gi...s/zetatalk.htm

Please give her a reality check. Thanks

Irritation... levels...rising. How can she spout this... er, stuff

Sigh. I knew something like this would happen. She can spout more stuff as fact in a minute than I can disprove in an hour. I will look up what she is saying about the images, but can anyone comment on the earthquake data?

....but, unfortunately, geology is outside my given 'arena'....What I *have* read is that the live feeds often mentioned by PXers as 'proof' of an increase in quakes is inaccurate simply because two or more seismographs can register the same tremor......IOW, if you have a seismo near LA and another near SF when a quake happens between the two, BOTH the LA and SF graphs will register a quake.....Which the PXers seem to count as two seperate incidents rather than the logical solution that it's the same activity.......If the subject comes up, perhaps a reasonable question would be if the registered quakes (as taken from the 'live feed') had been checked for double, or even triple reporting of the same movement.......
....It's even possible (and has been reported widely) that a large movement can be registered over a wide area by many seismographs, with minimal time-lag......
....Again, as I said, this isn't my field (far from it) but I have read where it has been pointed out to some of the 'faithful' repeatedly by some who *do* know .......Hope that helps.......

Best bet would probably be your local USGS office. I have actually forwarded the relevant part to my local office. He's not able to help much since most of the USGS operations in TN deal with water, but he is sending it on over to someone at the Memphis office he thinks might be able to help. I'll get you the reply if I get it in time.

As an afterthought, I figured that it would make a lot of sense to try contacting the USGS offices out in CA, so I also sent it to them.

It was nice of her to tip her hand this way though. First of all, you can let her bring this stuff up, but I think you should throw the burden of proof onto her. She is the one with the hypothesis and therefore she must support the statement with facts.

Maybe this will help. I don't know how to read the data but maybe someone else here can use this info and decipher it.

Also, it says "Albuquerque Seismological Laboratory
Data Collection Center". I'm not sure if it is just info for the state of New Mexico or not, but this is the link to the Earthquake info that Nancy posted in the link above, I went to the Home Page and followed a link from there to the data link I posted.

Hope it helps. :-?

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Well try this.

http://www.zetabc.com/

Seems she is making a new database presentation using different URLs. The links seem to work as well, so go look.

Some data seems to have been condensed into single pages...

...You will notice too that on her 'C2C Gentile' page http://www.zetabc.com/index/c2cquick.htm she still has the 'North Carolina' photo from 'Kid A'.....The one that he later explained was a fraud....But, of course, her page doesn't mention that at all......
....Ahhhh, 'what a web we weave......'

Phil:

From the site above:

The dates she is mentioning are El Nino dates.

The El nino's she is mentioning is the 82-83, 91-94, 97- 98 el nino's

That is the reasoning for the severe weather change then.

82-82 was a very strong El nino and so was th 97-98 one.

You might also want to look up the 72-73 strong el nino to show her that these things are normal and happened even before her propoese PX even nearing the solar system.

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Basically all she has to do to win the debate is to keep you distracted on disputing facts, like earthquake activity. Even if you prove there were exactly the same number of earthquakes in 2003 as in 1400, so what?

Just concentrate on the cracks in her story. Why hasn't anyone seen this thing yet?? If its approaching from below the earth, the southern hemisphere should see it fine. How did it all of a sudden get behind the sun/beside the sun. ZT first statement about earth rotation stopping in 1 day, then later saying it will take 1 week.

And most important: Invite her to a PUBLIC observatory so that she may show us all where this thing is. Of course she will refuse, cause she is full of s...

The debate is not won or lost on two issues,
As far as the object that was noticed in space,or the claim that in 2002 that many quakes were not reported...Domino effect quakes, If I understand correctly.

There are many issues today...The Nowtime MAY 2003, Where is the sightings predicted for the last three months, Where is the Red cross,planet blob or whatever she claims is convienant , My clock has not lost time, I view early morning ,afternoon and night...Where is or where was it.

Was that star sighting earlier mentioned, in fact a planet? Do we suppose that in the past there has not been many unreported Earthquakes?...I tend to deal with issues at hand , Issues relevant today, Make her answer the many questions asked on her post that never get answered...Even many of her followers claimed not to have seen it.
much of her rhetoric is BS ,When this issue deserves more answers from her.

How is it that she can jump from being a religious person using past Biblical data to an unbeliever that feels We were developed by the annanaki(Nephilim).... Total BS. I know that was read on her site.

Let her spout, But I strongly advise ,do not let her control the debate....She has a habit of doing so I have noticed.

Both sides of the argument will gain support, But just relax and use what facts you have....She might win one,Say for instance the Earthquakes, or Weather patterns....But do not let her escape from the more obvious signs that do not seem to be happening. Out of the Billions of people on this Earth ,are you to tell me that only a handful has seen what she has claimed. If she gives a 65% number..I would love to see that proof.

Maybe, you will need to be as brazen as she is on some issues, Just be sure you have equal time with her and take control yourself, as to where you want the debate to go......I know she cannot answer all your questionings.....So have a few on hand for yourself ,that you will demand an answer from her.

I agree.
What a farce that page is!
What she is terrible at remembering — and you should remind her about this Phil — is the FACT that if PX existed like the "zetas" say it does, then none of us would be fussing her about noise on pics — IT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPARENT IN ALL THE PICS OF THE WESTERN SKY TAKEN BY ANYONE UP TO A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO!

(Sorry for the caps. It's getting silly and frustrating at the same time. Rare for me.)

I find her humongus work in moving everything to a different addresses as odd and a "snake in the grass" warning.

I don't trust this and it may be her paranoid reasoning that motivates this but it could also be an attempt to obsficate something. I am trying to figgure out what it is. (So much crud in so little time)

She has history and has made enemies with others and they too have web sites that point out her mistakes and bloopers.

She is so sensitive to any errors pointed to her judgement and ability to convey the Zeta message. Any flack to her message carring abilities will esculate her paranoid behaviour I am sure. Doubt the Zeta data and she gets defensive and so on....

No, I don't believe that this is going to happen but can anyone tell me what those new objects were that were showing up on her exact coordinates for those dates? I find that a little bit odd.

Try and go here and study what she has. She has altered her database but you may find what you are looking for.
http://www.zetabc.com/

As for the earthquake data, she's selectively reporting the data. You can find three day periods in 2002 where fewer earthquakes of the magnitude in question occurred. You can't draw conclusions from geological data using data from three or five days here and there - you need to look at it in terms of much larger time scales.

Besides, according to her, aren't we supposed to be seeing magnitude 8 and 9 earthquakes by now?

Phil, debating her in any format is going to be tough. Creationists use the same tactics because they know real science doesn't fit into nice neat seven-second sound bites. In order to adequately document what's incorect in a 5 minute pseudo-science tirade can take hours - at which point you've completely lost those whose minds you need to change in the first place.

It's kind of like giving a historian one minute to rebutt the following statement:

"When the 7 American colonies declared their independence from Germany in 1812, it started the Civil War which lasted for 12 years. During the war, Germany used Cherokee mercenaries, yet the Colonial forces under Patton were victorious even after severe hardships suffered by the troops in the summer of 1814 at Valley Forge. At the war's conclusion, the colonies formed a Fascist goverment as laid out in the Treaty of Paris that has ruled since."

Phil,
Quite simply, Do not let her spout on and take control from the outset.
Have some personal questions at your side that you can throw at her....Maybe something that you know a layman would not understand, something that is astronomy related that only a few in the realm that you are in ,would know.( She darn well for sure will need the zetas )
Not top secret of course!!
If Norry is worth his salt ,he will mediate this in a professional manner, However Remember you will be on a paranormal radio show, and what type of discussion ensues on a show of that type.

Do not treat it as a lose or win, but just a way to get good points across.
People never agree as a rule of who was the victor anyway.