Frankly, Nancy Lieder is off her rocker! I hope to see the lunar eclipse tonight bu it's been cloudy and rainy today. But it's not like I've never seen one before. Another thing I want to ad is that I found out about this website around a year ago when Phil Plat was a guest on Coast to Coast, my favorite talk show.

Okay. If the Fair Use Exemption of the Copyright Law isn't good enough for ya, how about the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992?

http://www.sagebrush.com/vcrtech.htm#copyright

http://www.unc.edu/courses/pre2000fall/law357
c/cyberprojects/fall01/MusicOnline/page19.html

The Act itself, and the pertinent section.

http://www.virtualrecordings.com/ahra.htm
That good enough for ya? Right there in black and white, "you the Consumer can't be sued for copyright infringement for recording something off the radio for non-commercial use."

Even the RIAA says it's okay to record things off the radio for your own personal non-commercial use.

http://www.minidisc.org/ahra.html

So my non-commercial use of the radio broadcast was to post a transcript of it on the Internet, and Fluffy's non-commercial use of the MP3 of the radio broadcast is to post it here, too. And both these actions are permissible under the Fair Use Exemption of the Copyright Law and the Audio Home Recording Act.

And the reason the cites are all referring to copying music is because they're all having to do with P2P filesharing and Napster and Kazaa, etc., but the Copyright Law and the AHRA are also applicable to radio talk shows, baseball games, etc. You're allowed to record the Cubs game or Rush Limbaugh for your own non-commercial use.

And the "owners" of the broadcast--the Cubs or Rush or Coast to Coast--can't do anything about it. As long as you're not making copies of that Cubs game or Rush show and selling them, then you're in the clear.

And the reason why everyone's up in arms about Kazaa is because this AHRA exemption does not apply to "using a computer to copy music", which is what P2P filesharing does. It only applies to "using a cassette recorder or 'digital media' to copy music".


I suggest that if you still have a problem with this, you e-mail or PM the Bad Astronomer and talk to him about it, 'cause I think I'm about done with this.

Jigsaw: I wanted to let you know that you are now famous at TT-Watch....they linked to your transcript for all the zetazanies to read.....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/14751

Ah, Jigsaw. The price of fame--linked to a zetasite. :P

Excellent! The Fight Against Ignorance proceeds apace...

Good job with the transcript Jigsaw!

Unfortunately reading what Nancy was saying made me want to stab myself in the face with a soldering iron. I can't wait to listen to the recordings of the show when I get home.

Hot or cold?

Excellent Transcript Jigsaw. I fell asleep waiting for the program to come on and missed it. It's really great to be able to read it here and find out exactly what went on, although there was no doubt about the outcome. This will give me something to read on those nights when I'm afflicted with insomnia. And rock3t, be careful with them there soldering irons okay? And good job Phil, although debunking NL should seem like child's play to you by now. Yeh and perhaps you SHOULD work on those uhs and ohs a little bit.

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I admit I am unfamiliar with copyright law.
I agree that the transcript is legal, the recording is legal, and that the owners of the brodcast have the legal right to protect their work.

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Thank you for typing that jigsaw. None of the PX stuff is on air or in the papers here in Aust as far as I know, so it was great to read.
Mel.

I think the transcript is great! I stuck around to listen to the debate live, and it was fun.

I'll chime in about the copyright/piracy real quick.

Has anyone contacted C2C about allowing the recording and transcript? Like most things on the net, people will say Yes if you just ask. If C2C has a beef with it, we can take down the transcript and mp3 from the web. No big deal. I doubt C2C will have an annuerism over this. I think Noory had a ball with it, personally.

I'm still wading through the transcript (didn't get to hear the show, drat!) and just wanted to say an enormous "THANK YOU!!!!" to Jigsaw for doing all that work. You did a wonderful job; a real public service and the info you provided will be around for years to haunt Nancy.

Psi-less

I think Nancy's first clue that she's full-of-it should be that the United States Fed Gov't isn't pounding down her door to experiment on her and use her to contact the Zetas.

I'm suprised that one of her neighbors or the local police haven't isn't trying to commit her to a mental institution for being a danger to society.

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Good point blue. However, the amount of stuff that is wrong with Nancy and pX is enough to fill this board several times over (and likely has come close)..

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I can't stop wondering where Phil actually finds the motivation to deal with this kook at such length.

I felt the need to point out stuff about mammoths and Finland... there have never been mammoth body finds here. Never ever. I am pretty sure that as a local I would have heard of them.. frozen mammoths are mostly found in Siberia. Never in Finland or the rest of Northern Europe by that matter.

Even if I'm not a pro, my common sense says that there is a good reason to this. During the last Ice Age Finland, Sweden and Norway were completely covered by a big glacier. This glacier effectively wiped out everything that was on or anywhere near the surface... it's an impossibility to find the remains of anything that lived here prior to the melting of the glacier some 8-9k years ago.

Since Nancy seems to like talking palaeontology with an astronomer maybe the way to get her to talk more about Planet X is to have her interviewed by a palaeontologist. Maybe the real way to talk about UFOs and the Zetas is to have her interviewed by a submariner.

Is anyone planning to send her a Christmas card ?

Welcome to the BABB, Huckfinn! If you'll look around, I think somebody has a thread going on the "frozen mammoth" thing...

Thanx for that transcript, Jigsaw!
Really wish I could've heard it; it sounds like a real hoot.
You know; there's a way we can please everyone: the planet X-ers, and the rest of us Earthlings. Here's what we do: Let 'em know astronomers have found planet X; and take 'em all to a spot in the desert where "they can see it clearly".
Then; drop a REALLY big round rock on 'em with a mile-high trebuchet.
Bingo - everyone's happy. The Xers get what looks an awful lot like a planet dropped on 'em; and we don't have to worry about them anymore.... (Evil chuckle)

Sorry; that's the best I can do after being awake 40 hours....

Thanks so much for the transcript. I was unable to hear the interview, so I'm happy I was able to read about it.

I'm new to the forum. Just thought I'd make my presence known.

Not sure if I want to start a new topic, but thought I would throw out the question. Do you think zetatalk will finally belly up and disappear, when the Sun fails to set late tonight?

Eric Carlson

Eric, welcome to the board! That's been a matter of some debate both here and on sci.astro, as well as probably other places.

The general consensus is that while some will fall by the wayside, the True Believers will simply jump to another PX prophet (Mark Hazlewood, James McCanney) or swallow whatever explanation is offered by Ms. Lieder.

Nobody really expects Ms. Lieder to admit she was wrong. Nor do we expect that from the real hard-core PXers.

Too bad. Admitting a mistake is a sign of maturity, and a sign of a desire and ability to learn.

Just maybe...they'll all have a round of koolaid some time this week to toast to the approaching doom...hate to be so gruesome, but I think alot of the followers of Ms Lieder missed the Heaven's Gate ship...

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Just got the opportunity, thanx to the excellent download provided by one of the bb members, to listen to the broadcast. Mr. Plait did a superb job; made her look like a real idiot, especially when she started spouting 'zetatalk?'
The problem though, is the same problem when dealing with fanatics - countering wild claims with logic. These people don't want logic; it won't sway them. What they want is complete and unswerving acceptance of their weird patchwork of reality.
MY question is how Ms. Weirder - I mean ms. Leider will respond when the day comes and goes. How much do you want to bet that the Zetans - in their infinite mercy and power - will override their rule of noninterference, step in and save Earth 'At the last second'?