I have a copy of a sound file from KROQ, what sounds like one of the morning shows, interviewing Nancy Lieder. In this interview, she admits not only to encouraging people to kill their pets in preparation for Planet X, but also that she took her own 18 month old German Shepard puppy to the vet and had it killed.

This brings to mind a few questions. First, and foremost, if Nancy seriously believes in the concept of the Pole Shift and the coming cataclysm...

-Why did she buy a puppy less than two years before it was supposed to happen, and in the event that one of her own dogs became pregnant and littered the puppy, why didn't she have her own pets spayed or neutered, knowing that not only would her dogs have to be 'put down' before Planet X passed and caused all its havoc, but also their offspring?

-Why didn't she first contact the SPCA and try to give the puppy away? Why did she immediately take the puppy to be killed without first trying to donate it to those who would search for a good home. German Shepards are popular pets, and are also used in Law Enforcement. Fido could have had a better home than a hole in the ground.

-Who was the vet that Nancy took the dog to, to have the dirty deed done? What was the excuse she gave him or her, as it's not illegal, but considered reprehensible to have a perfectly healthy puppy killed without a good reason (Past history of violence, terminal illness, etc), and most vets wouldn't simply euthanize a puppy without cause. I'd like to get in contact with this vet and hear their story.

-Why wait 18 months? Why waste the resources necessary to care for and feed a German Shepard (By no means a small dog) which would easily come to hundreds of dollars (Puppies, while not nearly as expensive to care for as a human child, are certainly not cheap to raise in their first few years, as there are lots of medical bills for shots, etc), especially when Nancy is so concerned about the 'global food and supply shortage'?

To me, these actions constitute willful animal cruelty either through negligence or outright malice, either way.

If Nancy truly believes that Planet X is coming to kill us all, she certainly should have taken such basic preparation as making sure her pets weren't going to have any offspring, unless she planned n breeding them for food or protection, and thus, having to kill her puppy is not only a tragic waste, but borderline criminal negligence leading to animal cruelty.

If Nancy, on the other hand, DOESN'T truly believe that Planet X is coming to kill us all, this is even WORSE, as she has murdered a living creature to keep up appearances in the interest of creating mass hysteria and making a profit off her book and video. At best, she is apathetic, at worst, she is genuinely psychotic.

We should keep an eye on this, and not let Nancy just fade quietly into obscurity once June 1st has passed and nothing has happened. I encourage the Planet X believers to read these statements and really consider these things seriously, especially considering that it's now May 15th and there's still no physical evidence of Planet X even existing. (To the left of the sun at Sunrise AND Sunset? That would require a complete lateral transition of the sky during the day, in other words, PX would have to 'zig' roughly 50 million miles every 12 hours.)

Nancy should have to answer for what she's doing, either through jail time or institutionalization. People must not be allowed to prey upon fear and profit from gullible terror. :x

I would bet that is just another lie from Nancy.

There probably never was a dog, or she did not take the dog to a vet to have it killed.

I would be more willing to believe she killed the dog herself, or had one of her sycophants do it.

I can't imagine a person going to a vet and saying "Here, kill this dog for me." and the vet agreeing.

My wife works in and around the SPCA/vet profession. She said that there is no way a vet would euthanize an animal for that reason.

Avian

Since we already know that Nancy has a very flexible approach to "truth", I wouldn't be surprised if what actually happened was that the animal was ill, with some incurable doggie illness, and she had it euthanized for that, and so she can say, "I even had my own dog put down", but without telling anybody the real reason.

I'd think it was more likely the opposite....she does have a dog, because she has mentioned it several times in the IRC chats....but I would bet dollars to donuts that she DID NOT have it put to sleep, and is just saying that for public consumption....she lives in North Freedom (?) Wisconsin, so maybe we can contact the WI SPCA or Veteranarian Association and see who the local vet is?

Either way, people may take her seriously and copy her. Alot of animals may be killed or made to suffer for no reason other than this stupid woman.

She does need to be kept in check and people need to keep an eye on her.

Maybe she is practicing "horse doctoring" without a license (i.e. BLAM!)

I'm considering contacting her local animal welfare agency or even PETA and letting them know that there is a cult leader out there who is getting airtime on radio stations encouraging people to have their pets killed for no reason. I haven't listened to the interview - I honestly can't listen to it..... I don't want to. Recently, I had to take my 13 year old collie/husky/shepard mix into the vet to be put down because his arthritis had gotten to the point of paralyzing his back legs, and pinching nerves in his back... It was the worst thing I've ever had to do - that dog was my best friend. I can't listen to the sound bites about her offing her dog with no problem without probably getting ill to my stomach.

To hear this woman - this woman who somehow allowed an animal to come into her possession 18 months ago - knowing full well how she wouldn't allow it to live - then discarding it. Why couldn't she have at least waited until there was undeniable 100% proof in front of her before she killed this living creature?

And if the dog did just die, or she's making the whole thing up completely, then she shouldn't be encouraging others to murder their pets.

PETA would have a lot to say about this - so would the local animal welfare society, I'm sure.

I'm very worried that she may have other animals in her possession around that are going to have the same fate. I would at least like to be able to have the local authorities come out and save any animal that she may kill in the coming days.

Can someone let me know some good quotes from the interview where she talks about this so if I get a hold of these agencies I can let them know what she's about? You can send them to me in a private message if you like. I just can't HEAR her actually talking about it in that happy-go-lucky voice of hers.

Thanks!

Girl 101

(Edited: forgot something)

Some vets will - especially in more rural areas - as far as I know. I had an uncle (thank goodness I didn't know him at all) who took his wife's cats (all 10 of them or so!) to the vet and had them all put to sleep - just because he was sick of having them around. The vet did it - no problem.

Vets don't answer to the same laws as human doctors. It just depends on what kind of vet you find. Plus, you can always lie to the vet about why you're doing it. Maybe the dog has lost it's mind, maybe it's very very hurt somehow but you can't "afford" the testing.... I know that many vets would never do this, but unfortunatly, some will.

It's like in the human world - some doctors could care less about human beings, but still do their job, but some really do love humankind.

Girl 101

Or of corse it could be a shock tactic and a lie to boot, she may not have actualy 'done' said deed just say she has to further public debate in her and her theories,

what is that saying, something like

'all publicity is good publicity as long as they spell your name right!'

can not remember who said it - but tis true, tis true... and hey it worked, we are all talking about her arn't we! 8)

Because unfotunatley, she BELIEVES it to be true so much so that to her that is 100% proof.

My boyfriend doesnt believe that she really killed her dog. He thinks that she is just saying these things to get more attention. A bit like a screaming 2 year old... It will smash a vase just to get your attention. It doesnt care whether it is good or bad attention, just so long as they are getting it. I hope to god that my boyfriend is right.

The problem is if any one else is influenced by it.

I do think that the Animal Welfare group should be informed. They can at least investigate to see if she has done anything to her pets or not.

As for a transcript of one of the Radio talks, I have that for you if you would like a copy of it? I can post it on here if you like so everyone can read it?

BUt see, we are smart and can make up our own minds. I think a lot of her followers don't adhere to those two things. I'll be very happy if she is lying about it, but what is the awful thing is that she is ENCOURAGING people to do it. That needs to be stopped immediatly!

This has now gone past the line - before other living creatures weren't being harmed. Now we see that pets are encouraged to be killed. What's next? Kids? Kids certainly would have a horrid experience living through what NancyLied says is going to happen. What if some loon starts applying the pet advice on their kids? "Well, Fluffy won't have to live through this thank goodness....but what about Billy?" The cat is in kitty heaven, safe. But Billy will have to live through the horrors. I just see failed application of 'advice" happening, or at least the potential.

Once NancyLied starts endorsing killing of any kind - that's the first big red flag. You know what they say about people who harm animals for no reason....

Girl 101

Yes please PurpleKitten. Thanks!

*Stepping off her soapbox*
Girl 101

Even if she never actually did it, it should still serve as a warning. Even just talking about killing another living being, should make someone realise, "well, if they are talking about it, maybe they have the capacity to do it". There could be people out there who misinterpret this as kill your pets AND kids. Some of her more extreme followers may say, its better off to kill our entire family!

I worked at a vet for three years and I have heard lame excuses for euthansia such as, bad temper, but if someone came in asking us to do it because the end of the world was near, we wouldn't it and we would probably report her for being a mental case.

Girl101:[Rant warning] I'm sorry that your uncle ran into one of those vets who just did as asked, but I really believe that, at least today, that guy was an exception. This is really a big ethical questions today among vets and in vet schools around the U.S. I personally know dozens of vets (one VERY well) and none of them would just euthanize a healthy animal on demand. It is considered unethical. At the very least an ethical vet would try to convince the owner to take the pet to a shelter or otherwise find a new home for it. And to be honest, no sane vet is going to euthanize a healthy animal for some zany woman who is worried about aliens from a giant red planet destroying the earth and scaring her pet. That's the kind of person who comes back later with a lawyer and sues the vet. I think there is either a lot more to Nancy's claim of having her pet euthanized, or it's another outright lie. [End rant.] Whew. That feels better.

Shall I post it here or start a new topic?

gethen: (rant warning also!) What you say I agree with - no worries on that. This incident happened about 15-20 years ago, and in a farming community (where I'm sure cats where everywhere).

Ok, fine. A vet these days will not euthanize a pet. But someone who is willing to bump off their pet has not the same kind of unending devotion I feel (and perhaps you too feel) for animals. Let's just say this was going to happen. And let's say I still have my good ol' dog. (the latter I really wish!). I would do everything in my power to bring my dog through it with me. He would never leave my side. I would give him part of my share of worms and roots.

I know plenty of people who wouldn't do this with their pets *if this was going to happen*. I've had 4 pet cats at one time because I've had 3 friends who bought 3 cats, then didn't want to deal with them anymore, and were going to send them to the pound - not caring what their fate was there.

If you get a combination of someone who really doesn't care that much for their pet, and someone who believes what Nancy says... well, chances are they aren't even going to bother with the vet. And especially if Nancy is also telling people what good food sources their pets will make!!

I am just incredibly worried about people already #1 Naive, #2 Gullible, #3 Scared out of their minds, & #4 Panic Prone hearing this message, and getting rid of their pet - maybe not even to "spare them the aftertime", but more like getting rid of one more hassle they'll have to endure.

End of rant. Nothing against you I swear . This is just making me sick!

Purplekitten: you can just post it here I suppose - there are so many threads to keep track of already!

Girl 101

I did look up vets in wisconsin this morning....she lives in North Freedom, which I also had to look up on mapquest! Its a little west of Baraboo WI, and SE of Reedsville, which are the two largest towns in the area....Baraboo has a few animal hospitals and vets and Reedsville has a couple...

This may not paste....and a warning...this place had a lot of popup ads..

http://www.veterinariandirectory.com/Wisconsin-vet.htm

Most of them are NOT connected to the internet....

Understood girl101. I too have pets (an 18 year old cat for starters) and cannot imagine that anyone who really cared about their pets could have them euthanized over PlanetX. But, yes, there are nuts out there, and there are other ways to kill animals besides having the vet do it. I get angry about Nancy's irresponsible suggestions too. My only point was that I don't think many people are going to be able to get a vet to do the dirty work for them, and I don't believe Nancy did either. But it's horrifying to imagine that true believers might use any methods to dispose of their pets. No hard feelings. I guess, in essence, I pretty much agree with you.

You may get them to kill their pets, but you'd never be able to get them to trade in their television for a bag of rice or some survival gear. Someone should remind Nancy that an 18-month-old dog is far more likely to survive the "aftertimes" than a 60-year-old (I think?) crackpot.

LawBeefaroni, that location of yours....... Tunnel not hiding from big red - brown dwarf planets are you? 8)

Please, give me some credit. I don't believe in that crap. If you must know, I'm hiding from chupacabras (\/\/)and remnants of the Galactic Empire.


:wink:

Ok.... Here is the transcript for the portion of the KROQ show she did where she discusses what to do with your animals.... It is word for word.


Interview on KROQ

Interviewer 1: What about the last question for me Nancy, and you are terrific for talking to us today but, what about our listeners who have followed your advice and taken their dogs to Puppy Lake because of the impending collapse of America? What happens to them now?

Nancy: The puppies, the puppies didn’t think that anything worse was happening to them than getting their annual rabies shot, and it didn’t feel any different to them.

Interviewer 1: So they are in a happy place now? Ok?

Nancy: Yeah I mean they are in a happy place. I suspect there is a nice place in Puppy Heaven for those puppies.

Interviewer 2: Was that really your advice?

(laughter from radio people, one woman in the studio says “I don’t remember it?”)

Interviewer 2: You weren’t really advising people to drown their dogs were you?

Nancy: Yeah…

Interviewer 2: You were?

Nancy: (stuttering) Yeah, well, (stuttering) and, and well the fact is they are gonna starve and be injured…

Interviewer 1: Nancy….? (in disbelief)

Nancy: …..and they’ll be in a worse situation…. Or eaten.

Interviewer 1: What if you are wrong though and someone has killed their dog though?

Nancy: (pause) I love dogs… you have to know….

Interviewer: We can tell that…

Nancy: …..when I have a dog, its my lap baby. Even… I have German Shepherds and they sit on my lap.

Interviewer 1: Alright… have you killed your dogs?

Nancy: (pause) You just take them to the vet and, and they give them a shot…

Interviewer 1: Have you done that? Did you do that?

Interviewer 2: Ugh…. This has turned ugly!

Nancy: Yes, yes, yes…

(intelligible astonishment from the Radio people… One women in the studio asks “Did you do that?”)

Nancy: … and you sing to them and you stroke their little nose… You know?

Interviewer 1: Nancy, how old were your dogs when you took them to put them down?

Nancy: Oh, this one was only 18 months…Yeah…

Interviewer 1: (Astonished) Oh Nancy! (Laughs in disbelief) What are you doing?

Woman: You can go to a safe place, why don’t you just take your dogs with you?

Nancy: Because what are you going to feed those dogs?

(Interviewer laughs)

Nancy: What… If there is a food shortage and all your neighbours can’t go to the grocery store and they have hunted down the wildlife to nothing, they are gonna…. You know a dog makes a good meal….

Interviewer 1: Oh Nancy!!! (disgusted laugh)

Nancy: … and, and then soon your dog is missing….

Interviewer 1: (mockingly) I was so on board with you baby, until right now! Now Nancy, you…. Im sure that you meet with people every day that think you are just full blown nuts…

Nancy: Oh yeah…

Interviewer 1: What do you say to them?

Nancy: I don’t care what you think Im getting the message out, take it or leave it, its your business, its your life. But, I feel sorry for anybody who has small children who’s gonna not at least keep an eye out for that day the sun goes down a couple of hours late, you know…

Interviewer 2: (sarcastically) Take them to puppy lake, right.

Interviewer 1: Alright Nancy we are out of time….

Nancy: (interrupting) You still have time to go to Puppy Heaven, you know, at that point in time….

Interviewer 2: Oh good… Now that’s an important point…

Nancy: I never said do it now…

Interviewer 2: Awww Jeez….

Nancy: …..just do it before the pole shift.

Interviewer 1: ZetaTalk.com, Nancy we will talk to you in about a week… Thanks for your time.

Nancy: Thank you… bye, bye now.

(continues into disgusted, mocking and amazed chatter about what Nancy has just said…)

I read a LOT into this interview. God. I wish I could swear on this board - this woman makes me so mad. !!!

I find it very scary that she's *just* gotten done talking about how easy and sweet it is for dogs to be put to sleep... then suddenly mentions how sad she is for people with children. It just seems like a big ol' hint to me.

Almost sounds like she's not talking about puppies any more in this.

She also mentions that she has dogS - plural. That means she's got other dogs that she is going to do this with. She also mentions drowning the dogs - so I don't think (if she actually killed her dog) that she took it to any vet.

There's an animal rights group based in Wisconsin called Animal Alliance (or Alliance for Animals - gotta look it back up). They are getting a letter from me on Monday (drafted it at work, and forgot to send it home). If they don't do anything, then it's going to the big boys - PETA. I'm sure they will love this!!

I'm going to make sure she has to answer to someone for advocating this garbage - on the air, in large markets. Who knows what (other kind of) lunatic she could reach?

Thanks a lot Purplekitten!!

And Gethen - friends still, right?

Girl 101

Girl101... Not a problem, I am glad I could help. You are right that someone needs to do something about it. If you want any moral support I am sure that you have the backing of all the people on this board. You certainly have mine.

I thought the same way as you did when she mention about children, then made the puppy heaven remark... When you listen to her say it, she does have a slight sinister tone to her voice. She really is a nasty piece of work. If the ZETA aliens are real, why the hell they would have chosen someone like Nancy to convey their messages is beyond me. She is hardly the compassionate type.

When I listened to her saying about killing animals, I got SO mad. It makes me so angry... I do hope that people havent taken her advice.

She's a freak. I wonder what would happen if I say that in the Planet X Palktalk room?

~~ Paul

I am extremely disturbed by those comments. Even if she's lying, the mere inference of killing pets, and now CHILDREN, has severely crossed the line. I mean, if she wants to off herself, that's fine, she's not hurting anyone else, but to suggest killing children?

It's odd; she tells people it's not too late for puppy lake, that she's "not saying do it now." Yet, she herself, claims to be "doing it now” Go figure her logic. She's so full of BS.

My fear; what if some unstable person out there actually believes her, and attempts to take out as many children as possible? A woman in Texas killed her children just last week, claiming that God told her to do it. She took them behind the house, one at a time, while their father was sleeping, and bashed their heads in with a large rock. No evidence was found of mental illness. Folks, this is getting scary and I really hope people will stop giving her airtime to speak to the general public.

__________________
"There is no greater illusion than fear. Whoever can see through all fear will always be safe. " --Lao-Tsu

Very disturbing. Be it children or pets - she is encouraging people to end lives of those weaker and less vunerable. I've always believed this whole thing is about power for NancyLied, and this is the desperate last gasp for that power.

I can't wait for June 2nd - when even the most staunch believers will start to question all this very much. Although, by June 1st, we could have more pet's blood on Nancy's hands, and maybe even a child's.

Girl 101

I wrote to KROQ a while back, after her first interview there, begging them to stop putting her on the air, for this exact reason. That, and she was a cult leader, and any air time she would be given would do nothing but give her more followers and send more people into fear.

They never wrote back.

Girl 101

Ok, I know that this is my 3rd post in a row, but just wanted to let you all know:

Girl 101 has done something about this.

More details to come.

Girl 101