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Old 27-April-2007, 10:22 PM
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By 'theory', do you mean 'speculative idea', or 'guess'? Or 'scientific theory'? Or something else.

If you mean 'scientific theory', can you please give some references to papers which present this theory, in relevant peer-reviewed publications?
truedream, it seems that you may have overlooked my questions.

Could you please answer them.
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Experimentally it has been shown that (for all cases considered) the gravitational force is proportional to mass, and the magnetic force is proportional to the magnetic moment. Have you actually compared meaurements of the magnetic moments and masses of a range of atoms and found that they are directly proportional to each other?
The gravitational force is proportional to mass, yes but let us see in Better view.

Better view is the gravitational force is proportional to mass of nucleus.
I say is nucleus of all atoms having new type of magnetic force, that is magnetic property of Nucleus and I call it as atomic magnetic force.

Better view is the gravitational force is directly proportional to magnetic property of nucleus.


Like wise magnetic force is proportional to the magnetic moment.

Better view is present magnetic force is proportional to the mass of electron

Better view is present magnetic force is directly proportional to the mass of anti electron.

Better view is present magnetic force is directly proportional to the magnetic property of anti electron.


So gravity is directly proportional to magnetic property of nucleus (atomic magnetic force).this atomic magnetic force is something different from present magnetic force.

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By 'theory', do you mean 'speculative idea', or 'guess'? Or 'scientific theory'? Or something else.

If you mean 'scientific theory', can you please give some references to papers which present this theory, in relevant peer-reviewed publications?
First we don’t have peer-reviewed publications process for basic science and basic laws, because we have passed that age of it 100 or 200 years before.
Now we are in advance level with many branches of science and peer-review process.

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The gravitational force is proportional to mass, yes but let us see in Better view.

Better view is the gravitational force is proportional to mass of nucleus.
I say is nucleus of all atoms having new type of magnetic force, that is magnetic property of Nucleus and I call it as atomic magnetic force.

Better view is the gravitational force is directly proportional to magnetic property of nucleus.


Like wise magnetic force is proportional to the magnetic moment.

Better view is present magnetic force is proportional to the mass of electron

Better view is present magnetic force is directly proportional to the mass of anti electron.

Better view is present magnetic force is directly proportional to the magnetic property of anti electron.


So gravity is directly proportional to magnetic property of nucleus (atomic magnetic force).this atomic magnetic force is something different from present magnetic force.
Can you provide an example with numbers?
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I'm sorry, but this make no sense at all and does not agree with the last 200 years or so of research in chemistry. There are no such things as "solid atoms" and "gas atoms", any element can be a solid or a gas, depending on temperature and pressure. And the nature of bonding in chemical compounds is extremely well understood and has nothing to do with what you describe.

Please list which elements are members of the gas family and which are in the solid family in your theory and give examples of how your theory explains bonding and properties of compunds formed from these two groups.
All present basic laws of atom are found with respect to earth.
Most of us are inside small circle.

What is the true law of atom with respect to the space?

Did you think we have discovered all the atoms?
Ok you need to know which is solid atom and which is gas atom.

Sun core is made up of prefect gas atom and like wise earth solid core is made of prefect solid atom. Ok earth solid core is made of which atom?? Only we can imagine or guess because it is not possible to discover by science.

Can you change this solid core atom into gas state??? You can do noting
with temperature and pressure.

Like wise let us imagine hydrogen atom is prefect gas atom.
Can you change this gas atom into solid state???

As I sad before, Let us separate Earth into tree main parts, solid core, liquid core and atmosphere. With respect earth: solid core is made up of high gravity atom, liquid core is made up of semi gravity atom and atmosphere is made up of anti gravity atoms.
Till now we have seen maximum of semi gravity atom.
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By 'theory', do you mean 'speculative idea', or 'guess'? Or 'scientific theory'? Or something else.

If you mean 'scientific theory', can you please give some references to papers which present this theory, in relevant peer-reviewed publications?
First we don’t have peer-reviewed publications process for basic science and basic laws, because we have passed that age of it 100 or 200 years before.
Now we are in advance level with many branches of science and peer-review process.
First, you didn't answer my question; please do so.

Second, the view in the part of your post that I am quoting here is itself very much an ATM view of the nature of science, in the 21st century.

Unfortunately, BAUT's scope is astronomy and space, so a detailed exposition, together with challenges etc, is beyond the scope of this board. However, if you wish to defend these ATM ideas, re the nature of science, please say so (and I, for one, will ask direct, pertinent questions on those ATM ideas, as you present them).
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Other than in the posts in this thread, together with any links to other webpages in those posts, where is the speculative ATM idea that is the topic of this thread explained? In your answer, please focus on freely available sources.
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my theory is 100% scientific theory of nature, even I am ready give some references papers for relevant peer-reviewed publications.

Please guide me.

I think my presentation will be bad because English is my second language
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Sun core is made up of prefect gas atom and like wise earth solid core is made of prefect solid atom. Ok earth solid core is made of which atom?? Only we can imagine or guess because it is not possible to discover by science.

Can you change this solid core atom into gas state??? You can do noting
with temperature and pressure.
Do you have any proof of any of this? And don't refer us to those links in the other forum, it is just more of the same discussion here. What actual physical data do you have of any of this?

As far as "you can do nothing with temperature and pressure"... really?! I have spent the last 25 years of my career as a solid state chemist doing lots of stuff with temperature and pressure, including changing things from solids to liquids to gas, and back again, and creating synthetic versions of minerals found in the Earth, such as quartz and fluorite.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge" is a great quote. But imagination isn't the end of it. Einstein was very imaginative, but all of his theories were actually proven by actual physical measurements. They explain the physical state of the universe better than other theories. Please supply such physical evidence of your theories.
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Heck, you can change the state of matter from liquid to solid in your own freezer.
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my theory is 100% scientific theory of nature, even I am ready give some references papers for relevant peer-reviewed publications.

Please guide me.

I think my presentation will be bad because English is my second language
A 'theory', as in a 'scientific theory', in today's world, is one that has been written up in one or more papers which have been published in relevant peer-reviewed journals.

In which relevant, peer-reviewed journals has your 'theory' been published?

Note that as the second sentence of the opening post (OP) of this thread is "These are some of comments about my theory" (my bold), at least one of these published papers will need to have you as at least one of the authors.

If you have not published any such papers, please say so.
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Heck, you can change the state of matter from liquid to solid in your own freezer.
And from liquid to gas on the cooker.
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And from liquid to gas on the cooker.
let us imagine hydrogen atom is prefect gas atom.
Can you change this perfect gas atom into prefect solid state???

So no one have any valid point against my theory
I am taking about atoms which was not discovered by science

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A 'theory', as in a 'scientific theory', in today's world, is one that has been written up in one or more papers which have been published in relevant peer-reviewed journals.
If you have not published any such papers, please say so.
Yes I have not published any such papers in relevant peer-reviewed journals, but I have created my own web site with some basic papers of my theory five months before (name of my own web site is www.truesci.com) and I have released some of basic theory in toequest forum as article.

That all I have done
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let us imagine hydrogen atom is prefect gas atom.
Can you change this perfect gas atom into prefect solid state???

So no one have any valid point against my theory
I am taking about atoms which was not discovered by science
Sure we can. What is the definition of a perfect state of matter (gas, liquid, or solid)? We can't answer your question without know how you define that.
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let us imagine hydrogen atom is prefect gas atom.
Can you change this perfect gas atom into prefect solid state???

So no one have any valid point against my theory
I am taking about atoms which was not discovered by science
Let's have some definitions. Clearly what you are referring to as a "gas" or "solid" is not what everyone else calls a gas or solid. First of all, there is no such thing as a "solid" atom. The term "solid" only applies to a large collection of atoms and the way they behave together.
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Do you have any proof of any of this?
As far as "you can do nothing with temperature and pressure"... really?! I have spent the last 25 years of my career as a solid state chemist doing lots of stuff with temperature and pressure, including changing things from solids to liquids to gas, and back again, and creating synthetic versions of minerals found in the Earth, such as quartz and fluorite.

Please supply such physical evidence of your theories.
You only ask questions but you don’t answer for my questions or understand my Question.

My question is, let us imagine hydrogen atom is prefect gas atom.
Can you change this perfect gas atom into prefect solid state???
Then which is prefect solid atom,as i sad before atom present at solid core are prefect solid atom.
Can you change hydrogen atom into perfect solid atom??

That is can you add or mix hydrogen atom with our solid core of earth with help of temperature and pressure?????????

Ok what proof do you want? I think you don’t understand my theory
Gravity is proof for my theory and motions of planets in our solar system is
physical evidence for my theory.
By my theory I am saying our planet itself a complete magnetic planet and maximum magnetic property is proportional to the core. Then our planet is locked by magnetic field of sun. Yes even sun is a complete magnet and motions of all planets in our solar system are result of this magnetic property.
Note: don’t make fun by asking about geo magnetism because I am speaking about new magnetic force.

If you are against my theory, then you should explain me what is gravity? What is the link in-between gravity and atom? What is the endless force which creates motions in all planets in our solar system? What is the source for mechanical spin in atom? What type of force is it? What is this end less force in atom?

Because my theory can answer for these questions
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And from liquid to gas on the cooker.
Heck, you can change from solid to gas on the stove, if you start with ice cubes.
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My question is, let us imagine hydrogen atom is prefect gas atom.
It has already pointed out that "gas", "liquid" and "solid" have specific meanings in physics. You are obviously not using those terms with these meanings.

So, how about providing here a concise definition of "gas", "liquid" and "solid" within your theory, so that the people here can understand what you mean?
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Heck, you can change from solid to gas on the stove, if you start with ice cubes.
Of course.

And if you use dry ice, it does not even have to go through liquid to do that.
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A material that is strongly attracted to a magnet is said to have a high permeability. Iron and steel are two examples of materials with very high permeability, and they are strongly attracted to magnets. Liquid oxygen is an example of something with a low permeability, and it is only weakly attracted to a magnetic field. Water has such a low permeability that it is actually slightly repelled by magnetic fields.
Paramagnetism, ferromagnetism and diamagnetism.
Look up chapters 34 to 37 in Feynman's Lectures on Physics, Vol. 2.


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Science had missed important subject magnetism of atom and misunderstood about existence of Magnetism in atom. But Present science have seen the magnetism of atom indirectly in the name of gravity,weight,pressure, density, positive or negatively charged, chemical bonding, etc.
Have a look at chapter 8 in Eisberg & Resnick's Quantum Physics of Atoms, Molecules, Solids, Nuclei, and Particles.
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I think it is better to start from quantum mechanical spin
What is the source for this mechanical spin in atom?
What type of force is it? What is this end less force in atom?
Please give your idea about source for this spin in atom.
The BAUT board has a Questions & Answers forum for such questions.


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I think many of you have not complete read my article,...
I think you have not completely read mainstream textbooks.


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All present basic laws of atom are found with respect to earth.
So, all those probes we sent throughout the Solar System and all that spectroscopy astronomers and astrophysicists do, do not count, right?
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Just about 24 hours... Anyway, I'm still having a difficult time trying to understand what you are trying to say, but I do have a few comments.


What did they miss? All the observations are consistent with the theories.


Only 4? it also includes the gravity of the crust, the trees, the ocean, all the little critters, etc.
Otherwise, what is different with the 4 sources you state. Why is there a distinction? They have mass, and the gravity is in proportion to their mass.

If atmosphere is anti-gravity, then we would not have one.
you people are crazy think about what you are saying before you say it
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ok what is gravity and how does it effect us thats the first question then we ask what is antigravity then we can think about science in other words you can babble on about gravity etc. but whats your point
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May I suggest that you try to phrase your comments in a more polite way, Garykpo? We do have a "be nice" rule around here.
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Sure we can. What is the definition of a perfect state of matter (gas, liquid, or solid)? We can't answer your question without know how you define that.
I divide atoms into two different family, one is gas family other is solid
family. The difference is based upon there magnetic property. Yes two
solid and gas atom has opposite magnetic property like couples .
For eg imagine: gas atom is female atom and solid atom is male atom.

Sun core is made up of prefect gas atom and like wise
Earth solid core is made of prefect solid atom.

Let us imagine hydrogen atom is prefect gas atom.
Can you change this perfect gas atom into prefect solid atom???
Then which is prefect solid atom, atom present at solid core.
Can you change hydrogen atom into perfect solid atom??

That is can you add or mix hydrogen atom with our solid core of earth?
If you add then you can see the effect of anti gravity of hydrogen.

But when we add or mix hydrogen atom with core of sun, then you can see
the effect of gravity of hydrogen
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You only ask questions but you don’t answer for my questions or understand my Question.

My question is, let us imagine hydrogen atom is prefect gas atom.
Can you change this perfect gas atom into prefect solid state???
Then which is prefect solid atom,as i sad before atom present at solid core are prefect solid atom.
Can you change hydrogen atom into perfect solid atom??
Bolding mine.

It is not up to me to answer your questions, it is up to you to answer mine. You should look at the rules of this board and in particular the rules for the ATM section.

Ok, I imagine it. A perfect gas atom can't be changed into a solid. Well, we can create solid hydrogen (see the 2 links below - and that was from 1 minute of googling), therefore your theory is wrong, either hydrogen isn't a perfect gas or perfect gases can be changed to solids.
Solid hydrogen link 1
Solid hydrogen link 2

Now, I suspect you will claim it is not a "perfect solid". But until you define a perfect gas and a perfect solid, we don't know what those terms mean.

You keep saying the same thing - that you divide atoms up into two classes based on their magnetic properties and that the Sun's core is made of one class and the Earth's another. Show us how that theory explains some observable fact better than current theories. Tell us for all the elements in the periodic table which atoms are in which class.

I could say imagine that atoms are all "Cat" atoms and "Dog" atoms, based on how long their tails are. But until I even show atoms have tails, and how that explains things better, it is meaningless.
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you people are crazy think about what you are saying before you say it
May I point out that Gillianren is correct, this is against the rules, but I am a tolerant person, so I will not get upset about it.

I will only ask you to explain why you say this, and what information do you have to back it up.

But; aside from the personal attack, I am offended that you are spelling America without being capitalized.

The spelling errors in your profile make it hard to take you seriously to begin with.
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He talks about gravity not being about mass, but rather nucleac size. Interestingly enough, 99.99% of all atomic mass is in the nucleus. Compared to protons and neutrons, the mass of electrons are "negligible".

#EDIT: Sorry to backtrack, just got here
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truedream, why do you keep copying and pasting from your own posts?

The "broken-record" method is not an valid alternative to explaining your claims.
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