probably lieing, it would be all over TV right?

Funny, I viewed Jupiter last night with an 8 inch reflector, under clear skies and niticed nothing differnent. I even took a picture of it. When I get it on line, I will post a link. But seriosly skywatcher, your post look a lot like stargazers over at godlike. They alwasy start the same, post the same links, and reply the same.
But in giving you the benefit of the doubt, no, there is no black hole eating jupiter.

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I find that entire thread pretty funny. Well, not ha-ha funny, more of a sad kind of funny.

I was about to post a link to a a thread about this in Against the Mainstream, but since skywatcher was the one who started that thread too, it seemed pointless.

Jupiter
Here, at the bottom right of the page is Jupiter, taken by me, with a small scope last night. My 8 inch didn't track well enough for me to take a picture with, but I could look through it. The resolution is kinda bad, but for the size of the scope, it is okay.
Enjoy.

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skywatcher,stop,it's getting real annoying.

What do you mean getting?

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Looks pretty good to me. And Jupiter is a-ok, of course.

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but what is the last one, is that what jupitor looks from far away.

Yes,that would be right

Yes, the rest are moon pictures. There is only one picture of Jupiter on the page, no black holes, no red planet(unfortunately not a very good red spot either),hanging in space same as always. Go outside tonight, and if you are in the US, Look due west, you will see a very bright star. Take a pair of binoculars, or a small scope, and look through it. At about 40X mag, you will see a small colored planet, with lots of other bright specs around it. these are Jupiters moons. It is one of the brightest objects in the sky right now, and thousands of amatuer astronomers look at it every night. Try it, you might enjoy it.

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Honestly, it looks like Godlike folks are attracting all the trolls and hoaxers on Internet.

If there was a black hole that large near Jupiter, we would already know it and be past worrying about it since the size of that gravity well would have swallowed Jupiter already and started chewing up everything else in the solar system.

Here's a rule of thumb for you: If someone posted a "new discovery" on Godlike, it's a hoax post.

Boy, and here I thought that I read just about everything on the net :roll: . People sure do like to play with the ppl at Godlike

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How many planets have we lost now? First Mercury, now Jupiter. They're falling like flies...

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I know the people on that forum are insane, but claiming that you work for JPL? Come on, even Nancy can lie better than that.

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So, if they work for JPL aren't they really just part of the whole disinfo regime? Why would one trust anything an employee of JPL would say? Their logic amazes me.

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We lost one of the moons of Mars a while back too!

Don't forget that we lost moons too — namely Phobos and Deimos.
Next, Europa will "mysteriously" melt and we will have a guy in Idaho claiming that a race of Europan grey eel whales implanted a device in his head to send and receive photographic messages of mostly coastal scenes.
But they're apocaliptic coastal scenes.

Skywatcher -
An amateur picture of Jupiter will always look different than a professional astronomy picture. Professional pictures are put through many different filters and computer processes to bring out details unseen in the original photos. The photo in the link looks correct for an unprocessed image.

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Asimov's addition - "Or ignorance."

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ROTFLMAO! First they were falling on one side of us, and now on the other side. We're surrounded! When our moon disappears, it's time to bend over and kiss the *** good-bye.

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According to the good folk on GLP, we lost both of them. Grief, we've got a bunch of interstellar burglars raiding the whole system. And there's never a Galactic Policeman around when you need one...

I think that they will be coming for our Moon next. I confidently predict that shortly before the end of this month it will not be visible to the naked eye anywhere in the sky. :wink:

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Naw, the planets and moons are just balls on some giant alien's, god's, etc., snooker table.

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.....Great, just great.......So the mystery is solved, eh?....PX is really just the 'Head Mofo' of the local interstellar gang of 'Crips' who're planet-jacking the universe......Great, just swell.......
...Betcha' even if we *do* get the moon back, the stereo will be gone....Sheeesh.....

It's actually not too difficult to see a black hole on Jupiter. I saw one last Friday, and tngolfplayer, you should have no problem picking it up in your 8" dob. Your smaller scope, if it is a refractor, will simply not be capable of showing this though. :wink:
Step 1: get Jupiter in view
Step 2: turn it into a nice blurry mushy blob
Step 3: Note the black hole (or secondary obstruction, whatever you want to call it)

I actually ran into a problem with this at one of our public observing nights (Not black hole related). We had turned an 8" SCT on Jupiter and let people start looking through it. When I left it, it was in focus. Now earlier in the evening, there was a shadow transit of one of the moons, so a dark spot was visible on the cloud surfaces. I caught a few glimpses of it, but not enough to be able to say which way it was going or how long it would last. When one person in line got up, started fiddling with the focus knob and exclaimed there was a big spot on Jupiter, I nodded with the possibility that it could be the shadow of one of the moons, realizing that it was as likely that he had put it so far out of focus he was just seeing the secondary. It took a few minutes before one of us could get through the line to the eyepiece to state "this isn't even close to focused". At least the views were still good after that, even if the actual shadow transit had ended.

[This made a little more sense before the 11 replies while I was typing, sorry.]

....Brings to mind a childhood 'I'm bored and need something to think about for a few hours' thought (that I'm sure is *not* original, and wasn't even then, I imagine) that our entire universe, as immense and far-reaching as it is to us, resides in the cuticle of a finger of a hand of a member of some other race.......and each of us in turn carry dozens of universes in the cuticles of our fingers, with the rise and fall being dictacted only by nail-biting and an occasional very sound washing........
......Of course, I was thrilled to see something similar at the end of 'MIB', but that wool-gathering kept me occupied for hours on end as a child.....

Skywatcher, you have to quit falling for things you read on GLP. I went over there and posted my 2 cents (I'm the Anon Coward with first 12:01 edt post). I did it for people like you that can't reason things out logically. I really don't think it'll do much good, it was more like venting there instead of here. Ahhh .. the things I do for members!

Skywatcher, you already posted this in the General Astronomy forum under the title "Read this:". It didn't stir up enough trouble over there?

Not to nit-pick, but there are amateurs who take astrophotos that rival those of the pros. Jack Newton, Martin Germano, Tony & Daphne Hallas to name a few. The capabilities of modern "off the shelf" commercial telescopes and other equipment is astounding compared to even "pro" equipment of just a few decades ago. It wasn't that long ago that even major observatories had to manually point the scope at the desired target. Now you can buy a "goto" scope at WalMart for a couple hundred bucks. A modern 12"scope with a CCD camera can reach as deep as the Palomar Sky Atlas did on film 40 years ago.

Also, all of the filters and computer processing is available to the amateurs. Well, maybe almost all. :wink:

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Gosh, yeah. I remember musing about the same sort of thing as a kid. It was a pleasantly scary thought. Funny thing is that it makes a kind of sense in that if the Multiverse is infinitely large in one direction (increasing size), as that recent Scientific American piece of Parallel Universes suggested, it should also go infinitely down towards the infinitesimal.

But, sadly, and in the light of quantum physics, I believe that the concept of size and structure becomes meaningless at a certain level (the Planck Length?). There go all those worlds in a grain of sand. Farewell...

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.....Well, see there, you went and destroyed *another* 'Nancy's Reason It's Not Here Yet'......In that version, PX was within the range as advised by Nancy/Zeta (in PX-miles, of course) and a pigeon with hiccups accidently swallowed it......
...But there is proof of an interesting red dust cloud on a statue in downtown Philly.........

.....Seriously, on one hand, it's sad how many childhood musings fall before the not-so-tender mercies of science......but on the bright side, I like to believe those self-same musings are where some of the proven science originates........After all, 'theory' is just another way of saying 'Hey, what if.....' until it's proven........