For anyone interested here is a great link to information on how astrology uses our universe fro it's calculations.
http://www.astro.com/astrology/cw_astro_houses_e.htm

If clouds permanently covered the Earth's sky tomorrow it would have no effect on the pseudoscience of astrology.

Meanwhile, this is the Space and Astronomy portion of the BAUT. The glop contained in the link and any discussion of it belong in OTB (or ATM).

Resounds about right.

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And what use are the calculations in astrology? I'm asking for something based on objective evidence and careful controlled studies, not just assertions.

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I still don't understand that, even though the signs have shifted one position over time, I am still a Leo and not a Virgin, and why that has no influence on making a horoscope. Well, I can't be bothered with plowing through that site.

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Now that Pluto is no longer a planet, I suppose it's astrological 'influence' is now moot...must've given astrologers fits...

What about new dwarf planets being discovered? Are they rapidly altering our destinies even as we speak?

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Yeah what bizzare effects are Ceres and Eris having on people world wide? LOL

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Do you actually believe what is posted at that link? In that case, you need to be prepared to answer any questions we have about it.

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Obviously I joined the wrong forum. Some of you have misdirected anger going on there. To bad IMO.

No, it's called properly directed intelligence, logic, reason, and application of the scientific method.

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I don't. I simply asked a question. Do you have an answer?

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http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html
from the link up the top of this page on the left hand side...

i'd say you did get the wrong forum

as phil says from that page......

"Conclusion

Astrology is wrong.

I wanted to put that first, just so we're clear, and to make sure you're paying attention. I'll repeat it later, too."

;-)

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Surely if you are going to start a conspiracy theory it is best to start with something that might have a grain of truth or reality in it. To start with the preposterous and go downhill from there is just stupid. steve(primus) (Avatar)

Haven't we been over this before???

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(I have moved this paragraph back from the planet and rain topic as it relates to this post.)

I am familiar with the astro.com site in the OP. I do not think there is much in the specific link that will be of interest to astronomers, because it is oriented towards use of astrological assumptions whose epistemic status remains dubious, and there seems to be little genuine desire among the astrologers to explore the statistical merits and foundation of their claims. Astro.com has a very active forum section in which all the posts assume the validity of astrology as a self-sufficient alternative system. My attitude, as some may recall, is that I find astrology scientifically possible, even persuasive. However, planetary effects are very weak and astrologers have severely damaged their credibility by making claims that are over-inflated, denying that these claims are in principle testable, and relying on spurious magical intuition. I remain sympathetic to astrology despite the paucity of systematic evidence beyond the Gauquelin results because I believe the complexity of astrological patterns is so great, and the energies are so weak, that very large data sets would be needed to prove real effects.

Amusing exercise in . . . unscientific nonsense.

What? Pluto is not a planet? OTHER PLANTETS??

Well, THAT would explain why my horoscopes are never right!!

tbm

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