Planet X or Niburu or Marduk or Nemesis
to cause cataclysm on Earth in 2003 or 2012 ?
Zeta disaster "cyber prophets" got it all wrong
and may be at least a thousand years off.

Many names for the same thing. Well, according to hysterious clairvoyants, in the year 2003 this planet X will be closer to Earth than the Sun is. But rest assured : this year 2003 and the next 1200 years won't be giving any such event of this kind.

It seems weird, even suspicious, that comets of a size much smaller then the Moon get discovered long before a close pass along the Sun, whereas a presumed dwarf star 4 times the size of Earth remains 'not officially proven to exist' even though right now this Planet-X would pass Earth rather closely, which could cause a major cataclysm.

So what about this mysterious Planet X or Niburu/Nibiru or Marduk or Nemesis that is assumed to swing through the inner Solar System every 3600 years, having caused things like the tilt of Uranus up to upheavals on planet Earth (I don't think there was any around 1500-1600 BC), perhaps even the extinction of dinosaurs in earlier such approaches, according to Zechariah Sitchin, author of the book "The Twelfth Planet" (it should have been the tenth planet) ? Will our planet Earth stand still in the year 2003, then tilt, to shift poles afterwards and leave the larger part of the world population killed ? Hoax ? Truth ? Scientifically possible ? Zetatalk.com talks say it will. Oh please, come on.

NASA took the scientific approach and detected this asteroid (picture on the right) "1950AD" and calculated that this giant may get in touch with Earth in the year 2880. That is over 875 years from now. But this is an asteroid, not Planet-X. So what are the Zeta clairvoyants (read : vaguevoyants) talking about ?

According to modern astrologers, our Sol system has 3 more planets after Pluto, named Persephone, Hermes and Demeter, so that the Sol system has 12 planets, each one of them representing a specific zodiacal sign and thus a specific sector (or life department or astro house, 12 of them in a horoscope). "Advantage" is that the Sun and the Moon would not need to be called "planets" anymore by the astrologers. Anyway, in astronomical terms, Planet X would be the same as Persephone, if Planet X is indeed the next planet after Pluto.

By the way, it would not be a bad idea to go back to basics and have astrology and astronomy merge into one scientific unit, like in the good old ancient times. After all, things like Stonehenge and pyramids would then make more sense too. Further back in time, occultism and science was the same.

In January 1981 several daily newspapers stated that Pluto's orbit indicates that Planet X exists. The report stated that an astronomer from the U.S. Naval Observatory told a meeting of the American Astronomical Society that irregularities in the orbit of Pluto indicates that the solar system contains a 10th planet. He also noted that this came as no surprise to Zechariah Sitchin, whose book about this planet came out three years before.

In 1982 NASA themselves officially recognized the possibility of Planet X, with an announcement that an object is really there - far beyond the outermost planets. One year later in 1983 the newly launched IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) quickly found Planet X (the 10th). The Washington Post summary of an IRAS scientist from JPL California reported : "A heavenly body as large as Uranus (The size being in perfect parallel to the ancients knowledge) and part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation of Orion by an orbiting telescope." The orbiting telescope found it right where it was aimed at.

A large observatory in St. Petersburg, Russia yielded significant information. The man in charge of finding new planets admitted they have been watching Planet X for 3 years and are worried about the substantial damage it will do to Earth during its passage. The name they gave for Planet X was "Raja Sun" or "Great Star." To my knowledge there is a slight difference between a star and a planet.

Planets in our Sol system are experiencing remarkable changes in their overall brightness and appearance. All planets are increasing in their overall brightness. Jupiter shows a visible tube of ionizing radiation formed between its moon. The planets magnetic fields are becoming stronger. The magnetic fields of Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune are strongly increasing. Their atmospheric qualities are changing, as easily seen through conventional astronomical telescopes. For sure there is something with the Earth atmosphere that distorts telescopic sightings , as the Hubble Space Telescope doesn't complain about it. Keep it simple.

And nothing is reaching the news headlines ... Nothing is conveyed by any government ... Because there is not anything to report. Simple.

Nowadays, predictions about the return of Niburu in early Summer 2003 keep on finding - and losing - their way. Those predictions could be taken very serious. We all know how accurate ancient astronomical calendars are, scientifically proven, but also Zeta Talkers should learn how to read those astronomical tables. But Planet X has now officially not been detected by astronomers. Officially, because there has not (?) been any visual contact, contrary to aforesaid NASA report.

So there are lots of lies going around, all denying the existence of planet X, registered as "2001-KX76" in astronomy catalogs. Whether this planet is inhabited by Aliens or this heavenly body is a dwarfstar is not totally clear to me. But there is not enough scientific evidence to the existence of Planet X.

Sure, good reason to keep such thing top secret, to avoid (or to generate) mass hysteria, because a planet of a size several times our planet Earth would indeed disrupt the (mental, not physical) balance between Earth and Sun, if indeed its distance would be about one AU (astronomical unit, roughly the distance between Earth and Sun) in its perihelion (closest distance) and certainly if planet X comes between the Sun and Earth. The NASA "knows" about Earth stopping to rotate for a couple of days and 2/3 about world's population to be completely destroyed as seems happened thousands of years ago, according to some unverified reports. I did not know there were written NASA reports before the time of Moses or Abraham ...

Other sources say that Planet X its orbit will take the track between Jupiter and Mars, near the asteroid belt, approx the same from the Earth. So there is a bit of confusion of where exactly that planet will move, between Sun & Earth or between Mars & Jupiter. Another confusion is whether that planet is a planet or a dwarf star, since its mass is 20 times Earth mass but its size is 4 times Earth size. Certain pictures show a reddish planet, and certain reports state that this planet is inhabited by Alien civilization.

But regardless of what kind of heavenly body, it is scientifically proven that solar flares, or protuberances, cause major changes on Earth, such as in economy, climate & weather, seismic, state of mind, and so forth. So if planet X, having a momentum comparable with solar flares, passes Earth this close, then it is not hard to imagine that today's changes on Earth are interluding the coming of planet X, as the field of planetary influence (such as gravity and other forces) extends over quite a great distance. In plain words, the world wide **** of all kinds in which we are at present time could be one of the effects. It is but the mind that is affected, not the Earth. And not by Planet-X.

Continents are supposed to move around and so we would end up in having Antarctica in a tropical climate, South America in a polar climate, and India completely submerged, according to those who claim to know it all.

Now, how to prepare for the cataclysm of mid-2003 ? Just don't. There won't be any ...

On the other hand, as far as mass entities in space is concerned, there is a big difference between gravity and magnetism. And I have the impression that in impact computations these forces are mistakingly taken for the same thing. In other words, the effects that we would normally expect from Planet X passing by, may be far from dramatic, and nothing worse than the moment a comet is passing by. Therefore the greatest effect of such passage would be on the human mind.

If Planet X passes Earth at a distance of 1 AU, then its effect may be similar to the Moon at its present distance, more or less based on the square root principle applicable to gravity and distance. To state it plainly : Planet X will not cause any damage neither will it stop Earth from rotating.

Yes, through contradictions I just want to put things into perspective. And I still wonder to what extent it has been proven that in the past 3500 years (the orbital time of Planet X) - roughly 1500 BC - indeed a major cataclysm has been caused by the passing of Planet X, and how come that a polar shift similar to this expected magnitude has apparently not occured at that time ? At least, I have not seen any decent proof about such event.

Sure I think that the whole cataclysm thing about planet X is a hoax, even though quite a few governmental super solid buildings are upon construction completion in some mountain areas, as the rumors say, but these have nothing to do with it. By the way, some web-sites talk about the year 2012 or 2013, in relation with Planet X, and with some ancient calendars that don't go beyond 2012 (beginning of Aquarius). So this could make the confusion or hoax a lot greater.

Last but not least, Planet-X seems to have some 9 moons. And some idiot scientists state that these moons are pulled behind the speedy Planet-X like Superman's cape. What a nonsense ! Would planet-X then have so much headwind in vacuum space ? If planets would encounter so much resistance in space, then none of them would travel by now and we won't have any seasons. Moons orbit around a planet. Period.

It would not make sense to establish civilization on a planet that is doomed to get destroyed every 3600 years. I guess our "Alien" ancestors would have known better. The Zeta-Reticulians, who "told" people about the upcoming pole-shift, do not necessarily know it all. In certain documents they mentioned May 05, 2000, as the date of such cataclysm. Well, nothing special has happened, and the Zeta Reticulians better call themselves Zeta Ridiculians. If indeed ancient scientists knew about Planet-X already 6000 years ago, then they must have seen that planet at "close" distance. So if its orbit takes 3600 years, then only after about 1200 years from now (-6000 + 3600 + 3600 = 1200) we may be able to see the same as what they saw 6000 years ago (from now).

And again, magnetism and gravity are two totally different things, obviously mixed-up by those who claim to know it all. Gravital forces do not only occur on one spot but on the entire planet, so there won't be any random G-forces, and therefore any partial movement is excluded.

So agian, Zetans should go back to school and take some courses in astronomy and should learn some physics too.

And to underscore the Planet-X to Earth cataclysm hoax even more : The distance between Planet Earth and Mercury & Venus is also less than one AU. Yet Planet Earth does not cause any polar shift or tectonic movements on Mercury & Venus, or vice versa. Not even the slightest, as expected by the Zeta theories. The socalled Zeta enlightened visionaries seem to have no clue about gravity and magnetism. They hear a bit about a 10th planet, and all the rest they mock-up in their day-dreams.

Taking into account all of the above, and other bits of pieces of information, in my humble opinion the Earth will not stop or slow down or accelerate turning all of a sudden, neither will there be a sudden polar shift, no earthquakes or upheavals or floods, nor any tectonic movement of any kind during the entire passage of Planet-X in this year 2003, if there is any, which is highly doubtful. Don't listen to those disaster prophets, including ET's from Zeta & Orion, Moses, Edgar Gayce and Nostradamus. There are better things to do. See you after 1200 years.

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It took me that long to read your post

Welcome teegeeack!

Now sit down and have a rest!

Hello & Welcome.

Interesting take on it all and certainly helpful in further dispelling what was Zeta.
But I have a couple of questions:

How is not having the Sun & Moon as "planets" an advantage to Astrologers? They're the two most influential celestial bodies in the human experience.

Cool concept: the re-merging of science & religion. However, if we include the Sun & Moon, like the ancients, all we need is one additional member in our sol system - Marduk? Nibiru?

So why send a mixed message?
The need to exclude Sun & Moon on one hand, and then a "back to basics" like the "good old ancient times on the other?"

Of course Sun and Moon still be part of astrology. But each zodiacal sign normally should be represented by a planet, not by a star or a moon, otherwise it wouldn't be "fair" play in radix interpretations, however, in terms of progressions and transits it would be okay to keep on using Sun and Moon the way it used now. Unless the astrologer uses progressive houses, of course.

Planet Earth is not used as a planet in geocentric astro charts, and in heliocentric charts it is somewhat represented by Pars Fortunae, a specific point calculated from Sun & Moon locations at the time & place of birth.

In fact, there is a modern astro method, developed by Th.J.J.Ram, a Dutch astrologer, that uses already 12 planets, the last 3 planets being hypothetical, i.e. Persephone, Hermes and Demeter. So far, these 3 planets have not (yet?) been discovered by astronomers. In his astro method it all seems to work fine. But I had quite some problems with the slow transits of these 3 planets, as these move way too slow. Even Pluto is so slow for transits. That's why astrologers tend to use Mars as a lower octave of Pluto.

The slower (outer) planets are rather used for long term predictions, not specific events, but time periods, e.g. "between this and that year there will be peace".

In ancient times the astro zodiac had a smaller number of signs than today. For example, Libra got into the picture after the split of Virgo & Scorpio (hence the two are represented by similar "M" symbols). That was at the time there were only 10 signs instead of 12. Further back in time, there were only animal signs, so no Gemini and no Aquarius either.

But already in those times, Sun and Moon were used to represent astro signs. And then I have not yet talked about Chinese astrology, which is a bit different.

Yes, I admit I broadcast mixed messages, why, because there isn't any pure black or white, in my humble opinion, I would say, rather shades of perspective.

Well, I am going to take a nap. Enough of Planets X Y Z ...
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My two cents on Astrology FWIW: Every astrological horoscope written can be applied to any human in the world about 50% of the time. They are just so generalized, they are like Nostrodamus' predictions. Just my take!

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I strongly disagree with giving astrology any kind of legitimacy. It's pure bunk. If the influence of distant planets and stars can affect us earthers then, using that same logic, we should have to factor in local effects too. Makes you wonder what EM transmissions like radio & television can do if the positions of planets and constellations can have such a significant impact. Instead of what sign, maybe we should ask what TV program were you born under? (If it's about gravitational influences then it starts to get even more absurd). Seriously, in the old days astrologers did some good by observing and cataloging the night skies. They were the original astronomers in some respects. I think part of their misconceptions that became what we now know as astrology might've been because they used certain stars to define planting seasons and so forth and assumed an astral influence, not only on agriculture, but on humans as well. Leave astrology in the comics section of newspapers, where it belongs.

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Right on, Archer. I could not agree more. The evidence on astrology is as robust as on PX. Maybe more so, since there are still areas of the universe which we can't observe. But there is NO evidence for ANY influence on human activities. Every honest test of astrological predictions and theory demonstrates that fact. It doesn't even belong on the comic pages!

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How ancient are you talking? We can trace the 12 signs to Sumerian times, the earliest advanced civ which seemingly gave us many "firsts", including our method for keeping Time:

GUD.ANNA - Heavenly Bull (Taurus)
MASH.TAB.BA - Twins (Gemini)
DUB - Pincers, Tongs (Cancer)
UR.GULA - Lion (Leo)
AB.SIN - Whose Father was Sin (the Maiden=Virgo)
ZI.BA.AN.NA - Heavenly Fate (the scales = Libra)
GIR.TAB - Which claws or cuts (Scorpio)
PA.BIL - the Defender (the archer=Sagittarius)
SUHUR.MASH - Goat-Fish (Capricorn)
GU - of the waters (Aquarius)
SIM.MAH - Fishes (Pisces)
KU.MAL - Field Dweller (the ram = Aries)

We also find many parallels in various panthoens of "gods" where there are 12 primary gods, no more, no less. Why divide the sky in 12 segments to begin with? And then we have 12 hour halfdays, 12 months, then 60mins, 60secs, 60 degrees, 360degrees and onto 3600. All divisible by 12. All rooted in the Sumerian Sexigesimal system. Ingenius, no? Curious how our earliest advanced civ knew how to employ this system with seemingly no precursors. It seems more likely that early civs would employ the Decimal System first, you know? Counting fingers & toes?

As you can see, I'm more interested in the number 12 and how it relates ti Time Reckoning more than Fate & Destiny. As well as how Astrology and Astronomy are forever linked by it.

I must wholeheartedly agree with you here.

I have seen this quoted, and it puzzles me, because other accounts have Libra split off from Scorpius by the Romans - it is said to have been called Chelae Scorpionis, or the Scorpion's Claws. (I have no especial opinion either way - I just wonder at the apparent contradiction).

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Well, the Romans appeared much later than the Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonians, and I believe it has been shown that the Greeks took much from Babylonia and in turn the Romans from the Greeks.

http://www.astronomy.pomona.edu/arch...e/starlog.html

I just came across the contradiction you spoke of, GrandVizier.

Curious.