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Old 27-June-2007, 02:23 PM
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Through my observations and research on the subject of Photons and Quantum Mechanics I have formed a hypothesis that the discreet packets of photon energy may contain a frequency code that acts on an atomic level to compose every known element on Earth. It is widely known that Cosmic Rays contain every element known and over time may interact in an electro-chemical or atomic way to form compounds or perhaps even the blueprint for RNA and Amino Acids to build a new cell? The light of the Sun and Water are all thats needed to form life right? Its clearly theory but I would like to hear from those more Senior as to their thoughts on the matter? On another note concerning Dark Matter if Photons or Electromagnetic Energy have Wavelength and Frequency isnt it possible that Dark Matter may be an OPPOSITE and have frequencies higher than our visible spectrum of light? For every action there is a reaction?

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isnt it possible that Dark Matter may be an OPPOSITE and have frequencies higher than our visible spectrum of light?
Dark Matter is theorised not to respond to electromagnetic radiation (light) at all, of any frequency, visible or not visible. That is why it is Dark.
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Sounds reasonable...
And I daresay likely, as if a cosmic imperative for mixing and transporting life's ingredients throughout the universe.
Similar universal ingredients under similar conditions producing similar results - all utilizing a similar biochemical, or genetic base.

After all, Evolution (is) predictable everywhere in the universe, scientist says.

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[edit]It is widely known that Cosmic Rays contain every element known...
Next time you get hit with a uranium cosmic ray, please let me know.

I might write a paper about it.
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Through my observations and research on the subject of Photons and Quantum Mechanics I have formed a hypothesis that the discreet packets of photon energy may contain a frequency code that acts on an atomic level to compose every known element on Earth.
And this is better explanation than current theory? The same current theory which, by the way, allows us to build nuclear weapons, ion rockets, integrated circuits, etc.

What frequencies, pray tell? And how might we test this idea?
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Hi coliver,

Your note about cosmic rays and DNA is a little odd. Do you think this is likely, or are you just doing a little bit of stream-of-consciousness with goofy ideas?

Concerning the above excerpt about dark matter, loglo gets to the core of the issue. You seem to misunderstand why dark matter is dark. We observe EMR at wavelengths way above and below the frequencies of visible light, and dark matter isn't visible in any of them. Dark matter is probably not something with magical properties, but merely free-floating particles with some non-zero quantum number that makes it impossible for more familiar matter to interact with it in any energy-transferring way.
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Next time you get hit with a uranium cosmic ray, please let me know.

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Through my observations and research on the subject of Photons and Quantum Mechanics I have formed a hypothesis that the discreet packets of photon energy may contain a frequency code that acts on an atomic level to compose every known element on Earth.
What are you using to observe this "Frequency"? By what mechanism does it act on the atomic level, and with what? How does anything vibrating at any frequency create matter, and from what? What data did you uncover that lead you to this belief, and from what source did you obtain this data?

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I do not think Comic Rays mean what you think it means. Electro-Magnetic radiation is not matter. Are you suggesting that this radiation is piggy-backed by clumps of matter, at the speed of light? What source of energy can power this, and via what mechanism? What instrument did you use to measure the cosmic radiation, and did you check for every element by hand? How did you configure a mass spectrometer to check cosmic radiation?
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Its clearly theory but I would like to hear from those more Senior as to their thoughts on the matter? On another note concerning Dark Matter if Photons or Electromagnetic Energy have Wavelength and Frequency isnt it possible that Dark Matter may be an OPPOSITE and have frequencies higher than our visible spectrum of light? For every action there is a reaction?
Better folks than I already covered that aspect.
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well, there was a book written once a long time ago where at first there was darkness. then there was light. then water. then land. then animals. then us..
so i think that "land" might also be a necessary component of life. not just light and water. so your theory is incomplete...
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why do you need land? life existed in water before it moved onto land.
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see:http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978ICRC....1..262P
That's just the assumed nucleus.

Now for the other half of the paper...

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Through my observations and research on the subject of Photons and Quantum Mechanics I have formed a hypothesis that the discreet packets of photon energy may contain a frequency code that acts on an atomic level to compose every known element on Earth.
Welcome to the forum colover. I don't know if, or how long you've been a lurker on BAUT, but I hope you are ready.

The first and foremost thing that is glaring at me, is that you completely skipped/negated the Super Nova stage/explanation for how the 'heavier' particles/elements are formed.

Although they/we have no clue as to how the electrons/protons/neutrons get their mass, and IMHO (In My Hubble/Honest Opinion) that is entirely due to the 'light/energy first' "Assumption", it is fairly well understood that the Super Nova scenario is 'fairly correct'.
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why do you need land? life existed in water before it moved onto land.
not in The Book...
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Im not familiar with the Super Nova stage material but basically the theory suggests that light may contain some data that has an effect on cells or basic elements. For instance why does Radiation change the cellular structure of a cancer cell? Im not sure how to test the theory but it would have to use different light wave frequencies with a time variable on various biological cells or chemical compounds? If Electromagnetic Energy performs as both a wave and a particle then the wave section would contain the packets of data? The whole idea is akin to a CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) whereas the Vacuum of Space acts as the carrier of the Photon Energy and projects our reality. This would explain why we are seeing the past when we look to the stars as we move through time in our dimension? As for the Dark Matter my idea is that the entire universe is either Matter or AntiMatter ( Dark or Light) respectively. Im aware of the Theological premise to that but it could be scientifically correct as well? That would explain a Black Hole as Anti-Matter absorbing the energy of light and gasses but expelling the Xrays for some reason? If Dark Matter doesnt repond to Electromagnetic Radiation then it is a perfect Black Body right?

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To meeit seems like a bunch of nonsense.
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For instance why does Radiation change the cellular structure of a cancer cell?
My understanding is that radioactive particles whack at your DNA, causing a mutation, which causes cancer. I'm no expert, and Gods know that's not technical, but that's what I've read.
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Google, Google, Google.
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Exactly Gillianren, they cause a mutation. What is Radiation but a directed frequency? Just like an Xray can cause an effect to tissue if not shielded. We use the frequencies every day in things like X-Rays, Radiation, Lasers etc.. but what if we are missing some internal coding in the wave itself? Just like a PC uses an 8 bit or 32 bit or whatever stream to send data to the CPU, what if we could not only use the light in a laser as a o or 1 when writing to a DVD but instead send a 0 or 1 for each wavelength or color temperature? That would increase the amount of data that could be sent through a single stream of light wouldnt it? It would basically be a spectrometer in reverse type of thing. with a prism perhaps to redirect the spectrum.
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In answer to Mister Earl, now you might think me really crazy but the overall idea is that the Aztecs may have been right Our Sun is the creator, or a tool designed by the architect of the universe, and the Oceans the origin of life on the planet. The Sun is obviously the source of energy that fuels the planet. Now dont get me wrong, Amino Acids and RNA etc.. have a lot to do with it as well but the two together form life as we know it. The Sun would carry the instructions via Photons to the RNA as to how to sequence into whatever cell. The question is whether intelligience begins at the cellular level with the microorganisms or is piped to us from space? It has to come from one or the other. Biologists do not know what tells the Amino acids whether to make a dog or a cat.
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The Sun would carry the instructions via Photons to the RNA as to how to sequence into whatever cell. The question is whether intelligience begins at the cellular level with the microorganisms or is piped to us from space? It has to come from one or the other. Biologists do not know what tells the Amino acids whether to make a dog or a cat.
How would "instructions" be imprinted on photons? If I were to measure a photon, what would I have to do in order to "read" these instructions? When the photons hit the earth, what here "reads" the photons? How does it do this? Is this more of a "What if" question, or do you have data supporting this theory?

And technically speaking, the interaction between raw amino acids and sunlight to create life was a strictly chemical reaction, and could have occured in a myriad of other ways. Life can survive without the sun. There are whole colonies of thermophylliac (spelling?) bacteria living on undersea vents discharging minerals and superheated water. If your theory had any weight, you would have to account for this anomoly.
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Also, now that I've thought some more, here is an additional set of questions for you to consider:

-By what method would a collapsing ball of hydrogen carry/assemble data, for later transport via photons?
-There is no "basic" model of life that can thrive in all environments. This means that the sun or "Architect" would need a way to monitor local planetary bodies and likely places for life to coalesce. How would it determine the optimal form of life for any given location?
-Also, are you suggesting that instead of evolution, that the sun assembled new life forms on the fly, and "Trasmitted" thier encoding to the earth?
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I dont have any data to back up the theory at this point other than observations and various personal research. Im not suggesting this as a replacement for the Evolution theory but as a possible precursor at the cellular level. As I understand it, and I could be wrong? The DNA process is an Electro-Chemical process. This would provide the minute electrical charges or data that would direct the chemical process. As for the bacteria in the undersea vents I would suspect that the same energy could be derived from the Earths Core which is probably the same material as the Sun? If its Superheated its getting heat and possibly light at some point. Life seems to adapt to its environment wherever it may be, or its possible that the bacteria initially formed in shallower water? Im not exactly sure how to measure the photon since there are two other variables that may be involved, one is Time and the other Pressure. My idea was to try some experiments with possibly bacteria and submit them to various wavelengths and pressures. If you place a bucket of water outside and leave it then life will form in it, that was the initial observation that led me to investigate further?
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Exactly Gillianren, they cause a mutation. What is Radiation but a directed frequency?
Particles, right?
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As for the bacteria in the undersea vents I would suspect that the same energy could be derived from the Earths Core which is probably the same material as the Sun?
The proportions may be slightly off.

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Uh, actually, they collect in it from outside sources. A sealed jar of sterile water doesn't have that problem.
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well, we are made of "star stuff", but that doesn't mean we are made of light, even if movies and tv represent our "soul" as a formless ball of light from time to time..
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Yes NoClevername the organisms collect from outside sources but what causes them to grow and multiply if not sunlight?
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Yes NoClevername the organisms collect from outside sources but what causes them to grow and multiply if not sunlight?
The sunlight does not create those organisms.

The "sealed jar of sterile water" in that same sunlight, will not develop the same organisms.
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Through my observations and research on the subject of Photons and Quantum Mechanics I have formed a hypothesis that the discreet packets of photon energy may contain a frequency code that acts on an atomic level to compose every known element on Earth. It is widely known that Cosmic Rays contain every element known and over time may interact in an electro-chemical or atomic way to form compounds or perhaps even the blueprint for RNA and Amino Acids to build a new cell? The light of the Sun and Water are all thats needed to form life right? Its clearly theory but I would like to hear from those more Senior as to their thoughts on the matter? On another note concerning Dark Matter if Photons or Electromagnetic Energy have Wavelength and Frequency isnt it possible that Dark Matter may be an OPPOSITE and have frequencies higher than our visible spectrum of light? For every action there is a reaction?
I think you've confused cosmic ray particles-- accelerated ions --with photons.

And the mutations caused by cosmic rays, or any radiation, are the result of the cell's DNA rejoining after is is broken by the radiation or particle. It's like a bone that is broken by a falling rock and heals crooked; if that crooked leg-bone happens to make one person a better place kicker, can you then say "being hit with rocks will improve your kicking"?
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Novaderrick, arent we all made of energy? Particles are energy correct? To us it seems as reality but could it be a Grand Illusion and really a projection of energy through light? Its always fascinated me as to why we can capture time on a video camera or photograph, if we can capture time with light it seems they are perhaps related?
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