Hadronization vs. the Big Rip - Page 2

thothicabob · #31 (**permalink**) 21-July-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dgavin

Well I'm not giving up quite yet on my idea of the pull back being kick started by the hadronization. I probably spoke to quickly myself.

I'm thinking that more the the strong force would be involved, probably a combination of things. The hadronization empties the universe of energy at an ever increasing rate. At the last stage of it, the hadronization stops, and the gluon force starts pulling matter together again, assisted by the strong force, gravity, the week force, also probably the cashmire force and some other forces will come into play, including wave mechanics.

This initial pull back may even start as an extreamly fast 'collapse' and slow down as DM reforms, however the acceleration over all will be more then the reformed DM can compensate, leading to the eventual Collapse/Big Bouce to the next universe.

Mainly my thinking is once the Universe is drained of energy by hadronization, that it's tendency to expand because of energy, will become a tendancy to collapse due to the lack of energy.

You could be right - I'm not a physicist by any stretch. All I really can do is to try to get a basic understanding the fundamental concepts as correctly as I can, then use that understanding to reason things through logically as far as I can. If the reasoning fails, then obviously, my understanding it wrong and I need to re-think my understanding. Without the deeper understanding the math presumedly brings, it's possible (even likely) that I'm not getting what all the implications of 'hadronization' would be, should it happen. I just took a stab.

Another thing I'm sort of wondering - if atoms were ripped apart during the big rip process, would there not also be an accompaning huge release of energy? Presumably, the rip would get through the EM forces and on to the weak, then strong, in pretty short order once it's progressed that far. If that would be the case, what could be the result? If it's not the case...then why not? This would happen, I guess, just prior to the point where hadronization would kick in - or would hadronization happen just before, preventing it?

Van Rijn · #32 (**permalink**) 21-July-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Celestial Mechanic

CM: "Again, my idea is that hadronization occurs early enough that the dark energy is 'spent' on creation of all these hadrons. This creation takes place well before any quark gets to c."

DB: "Well, that should answer a few questions."

CM: "And I hope will lead to a few more. But first, time for a refill!"

To be continued...

Yes, it's leading to questions about scale and mechanics. So, with your idea, if we go into the future and focus on what's left of the sun, what are you thinking happens? If, for example, we pick out a particular proton, does that become the "seed" for a region of space comparable to the visible universe during the next round? Or are you thinking a scaling either not as extreme or more extreme?

BaDboD · #33 (**permalink**) 21-July-2007, 12:13 PM

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CM: "I think so. But turning it into the necessary physics and math and churning out the actual computation is definitely more than 30 days off."

The rules allow re-opening if you have the required physics and maths to add later. This is the only thread I have read since the 30 day rule (Well; apart from Sweetser's) that I feel the rule should not apply. Very thought provoking.

Coldcreation · #34 (**permalink**) 01-August-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Celestial Mechanic

...CM: "Again, my idea is that hadronization occurs early enough that the dark energy is 'spent' on creation of all these hadrons. This creation takes place well before any quark gets to c."...

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Umbala

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thothicabob · #35 (**permalink**) 01-August-2007, 11:15 PM

I'm not so sure that it's a fair comment/comparison - the idea seems largely as jargon-free as any such discussion can be. But for those interested, here's a link to what CR seems to be trying to say...

http://www.poams.org/lib/pub/pub_umbala.pdf

Um-ba-la, m'lord, Um-ba-la.....

Coldcreation · #36 (**permalink**) 01-August-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thothicabob

I'm not so sure that it's a fair comment/comparison - the idea seems largely as jargon-free as any such discussion can be. But for those interested, here's a link to what CC [correction: Coldcreation = CC] seems to be trying to say...

http://www.poams.org/lib/pub/pub_umbala.pdf

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YAUPT

CC.

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