I am new here, been studying astrophysics and cosmology for some years now. The main reason I joined is to get some feedback on a theory that I have come up with. It is still in the beginning stages, and no one really even knows about it yet. I have been working on it for about two and a half years now and I need some help with working out all the "hard stuff". So if anyone finds my theory to be as probable as I do, please let me know and I would be more than happy to go into greater detail about it, and mabey work together on it to proving it.
The theory is really very simple, so im going to keep it short and sweet. It all has to do with Black holes, Worm holes and the theory of a Multi verse. Now to begin, imagine that our universe is not alone, instead of it being all that exists, think of it just like the galaxies. Our universe is made up of billions and billions of galaxies, now just as the same the great vastness of empty space outside the reaches of our universe if filled with other universes, or at least thats the theory.
Black holes are very elusive things, we may not know to much about them, but we are finding that they exist in almost every galaxy, so they must play a very cruscial role in the building of a galaxy. We know that Black holes suck in everything around them with an unescapable force. Past the "event horizon" everything is literally ripped apart and broken down ito its most basic of forms. Now what we dont know is where all of that stuff that is sucked in goes to. This is where the Worm holes come into play. Worm holes exist right here right now in the quantum world so I think that a Black hole is essintally a "gateway" into a worm hole. A worm hole that leads to some empty spot out in the multiverse. Now like I was saying before, Everthing gets sucked into a Black hole with such a force that not even light can escape, and it is all broken down. So it all travels through these wormholes and gets ejected with massive force at the recieving end in a big bang, with all of the basic building blocks for a universe, shooting out at hte speed of light, which is why everything in a universe is expanding at the speed of light.
This theory is very loosly put together here, but like i said, I can go into more detail if anyone whishes. I also have many other facts and things which support this theory, so if there are any questions i would be happy to try and answer them. I just think that it makes more sense than that membrane theory, from those guys from europe. Hope you guys do to. ----Thankx---

membrane theory? You mean branes? String theory?

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Interesting, but I wonder how you could start a whole other universe with a "big bang" with the small amount of matter a black hole has devoured. If everything in our universe came from a black hole, that must be one helluva big black hole!

Maybe there are millions of black holes adding to a single universe at the same time? I am just trying to get a clearer picture of what you are suggesting. No matter whether your theory is right or wrong, I very much enjoy reading about new theories and the science involved in them.

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By all means do you have math or diagrams?

I have drawn a few for you cypher, starting with a point.

Given the inflation of the big bang started for all intensive purposes at a point are you suggesting linear like a time line so that all matter and energy are added as outside dimensions?

Or given that it is a worm hole an expansion of dimensions into an accretion disk and a black hole from there. I play with shape and design I hope from a point to a disk.JPG help.

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the other thing that jumps to mind is that black holes don't suck in stars any more than the sun sucks in the earth. Only those things without enough energy to escape the gravitational well will eventually fall in. But not everything.


I'm not worried about total mass or anything. If this mass popped out somewhere else who is to say the Planck length is the same or that quarks have the same properties ours do? Scales are useless in this sense.

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If it is as Murff says "one helluva big black hole!" are we talking of a whole universe type black hole? It is interesting because during the history of science there has been a lot of simultaneity of ideas. swing theory.JPG

When I started I was lucky enough to have Russt and Bogie give me some pointers, I wish you the same good fortune and help.

This next diagram is assuming a whole of universe type black hole coming out. The next phase would be is it closed so that it bounces or open so it continues opening up.

I may be way off base here, or is it through quantum and therefore string or "M" theory which involves "branes" of parallel existence. A universe size black hole coming out sure would explain dark energy.

I believe we are overdue for a huge break through in science which adds to the sum of human knowledge. The current interest in new phenomena and interesting discoveries may just be the start.

Professor Stephen Hawkins pointed out crossing the threshold would probably go unnoticed and one of the other members here said it would be trillions of years before matter all flies apart. So it is good on that front.

Some here are working galaxy by galaxy, by the looks of it yours is a whole of universe model. One way or another our current model is looking "a bit patched up" (but that is my ATM side coming out here ).

Best of luck and waiting to here from you cypher.

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I'm wondering why you think this hasn't been thought of before? Who hasn't thought that black holes "suck" stuff up and spit it out somewhere else?

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Sure it is the stuff of the best sci-fi adventures and if someone can make it work then more power to them. When the idea of the atom smasher was conceived it revolved around pretty much taking a tiny amount of stuff and hurling it at the "good ol' atomic brick wall" to see what bounced off when atoms smashed into it.

We can always wait to give credit to a new twist on an idea, especially if it works. With the universe the size that it is and full of filaments of density any spitting out that much "spaghetti" should take a very long time indeed on that scale.

Now we wait

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Im sure that someone has thought up the point that black holes suck stuff up and spits it out elsewere, but stuff like this (the theory, bigbang) basically anything to do with the universe and space just ggets my mind racing, I think that if any one else had a theory like this I as well as all of you should have head of it.

or just come up with it on your own. This occured to me a long time ago - of course there is no proof, but I figured it was a long past theory.


Some people still look for planet X

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Nor is there any evidence that it goes anywhere.

cypher: to count as a "theory," it has to explain something. If there was evidence that stuff falling into a BH "goes somewhere," then you would have a theory to explain where it goes, and we might be able to judge the merit(s) of your particular explanation.

However, you have not even supplied a phenomenon that your theory purports to explain!

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Quote:: posted by Peter:Nor is there any evidence that it goes anywhere. to count as a "theory," it has to explain something. If there was evidence that stuff falling into a BH "goes somewhere," then you would have a theory to explain where it goes, and we might be able to judge the merit(s) of your particular explanation.However, you have not even supplied a phenomenon that your theory purports to explain!


Peter: You have come up with a good point, but apparantely you have not read my theory all that well. What the theory is trying to explain is that point of initial singularity right before the big bang. You know what i mean: that mother of all questions, How did everything that we currently know come out of basicaly nothing. That is the phenomenon that my theory is trying to explain. Not only that but as well this theory can explain many other phenomenons. Like the other point that you brought up, that there is no evidence that the s#*t which gets sucked into a BH goes anywhere at all. Now according to you this in its self answers your problem, since it ultimately gives another theory for what BH's do. Thankx for the critisism though, everyones point of view can only work out for the better with helping me out.

I dont really have all that much time to sit on my computer everyday, so since every one wants me to post more stuff giving a solid structure to my theory, i will perodically pop in with some of my thoughts. Hope they help.
Oh yea, and like ive said, I really do not know how to work out all the math all that well so if any one wants to take on a partnership to help me prove this that would be great thanks.

[quote=Murff;1027154]Interesting, but I wonder how you could start a whole other universe with a "big bang" with the small amount of matter a black hole has devoured. If everything in our universe came from a black hole, that must be one helluva big black hole!

This is not nessassarly true Murff. Black Holes do not suck in small amounts of matter. Galactic core black holes can be immense, having accumulated the mass of millions or even billions of stars. Needless to say, this a is relatively tiny amount, on the scale of the universe, but looking back to the point of the big bang to that initial point of expansion (not explosion), there really was not all that much that came out of it, so you dont need much to have a universe born. just after the planck era (about a hundred-billionth or millionth or so of a yactosecond, matter ond energy were completly interchangeable. Three of the fundamental forces of nature (strong nuclear, weak nuclear, and electromagnetic forces) were all unified into one Grand unified force. As the universe cooled, about one yacto second later, the forces seperated out into four fundamental forces now including the gravitational force. this period called the quark era or the electroweak era There were vast numbers of quark and antiquark pairs forming from energy and then being annihilated back into pure energy. Gluons and other more exotic particalsalso appeared. Around the time of a microsecond we stared to get particals called hadrons. these included baryons (protons and neutrons), antibaryons, and mesons, all forming from reactions of quarks and antiquarks. And after a vast period of reactions : some 300,000 years matter eventually started to form. so as you can see a black hole can surely break down the perfect fundamental "stuff" and shoot out all the forces needed to start the reactions which start a universe. And as well there really does not need to be much of anything to start this, so theoretically you could have this process come out of any relatively small black hole.

I admit my lack of knowledge in these areas, that is why I am generally here asking questions, not answering them

A Black Hole ingests 300 solar masses worth of matter, and by some process, breaks the matter down and sends it through a wormhole to a "new" universe. This matter, equal to roughly 300 solar masses, will eventually create a universe with billions of galaxies?

Also, it would seem logical to me that this transfer would be a continuous feed. When more matter falls into the black hole, it keeps getting sent to this new universe. Not that I understand all this, but it would be interesting to see the end of the wormhole in the new galaxy, just sitting there "leaking" out new matter like an old garden hose. (probably not the best analogy).

Thanks for addressing my previous questions.

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The thing is, cypher, that the universe, by definition, is all that exists. Meaning, there is nothing that is not the universe. From this, the multiverse that you are describing, would actually be the universe, and "our" universe, would be a lesser universe, or something along those lines. All of the lesser universes, along with the spaces between them, would all be the universe, and so far, your theory fails to explain how that universe/true/whole universe, got started.

Provided that your theory is valid, it would explain how our universe (lesser universe, in your model) got started, but not how the entire universe got started. This means that "the big question" still remains unanswered.

The other thing is, that objects in our lesser universe still feel the presence of black holes through gravity, meaning that the matter/energy that causes this gravity, has not left the region that is affected by it. Not having gone anywhere, it could not possibly be in another lesser universe, within the multiverse. Once again, because its presence is still felt here, in this lesser universe.

If you can think of other ways that the transfer of matter between the lesser universes can take place, besides black holes, I could think of a few ways in which your theory might have at least some validity.

I have to admidt that you guys (murff and afterburner) have some really great, and intriguing questions for me here and some good points. But Im gonna have to wait untill the mornin' to get back to you its 2:00am here and i can barely keep my eyes open, thankx for the imput, espically from afterburner about which came first, the chicken or the egg? talk to ya later.

oh and one more thing:
I just looked back on my answer to murffs question, and at the end I said you get all of the fundamental forces "speuing" out the other end. I didnt necessarly mean this in the way that it was interpreted. I meant it in a way that those forces could have been generated from the initial expansion itself along with the chain reactions which take place. and also as well as the way that it was interpreted. sorry about the misleading text. -thankx gotta catch some shut eye.....................................

Actually by reading your first post it may help to try some in the Q/A (questions and answers) section. It is not wrong to look for some help before going ahead with an idea.

By posting in ATM (against the mainstream) you enter the boxing ring of this forum. If "hard stuff" is a list of good books or sites, ideas regarding some of the math or people to check out that is the place that will help.

Here ATM you sort of toss your idea in and try to stay calm while it is torn to shreds and trampled.

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